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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Self defense injustice in the UK
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 23:41:03 -0000 (UTC)
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On Jun 13, 2025 at 4:02:20 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 6/13/2025 1:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Jun 13, 2025 at 10:08:54 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 6/13/2025 12:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>    On Jun 13, 2025 at 8:31:04 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>>    On 6/12/2025 4:57 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>      On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 21:51:49 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
>>>>>>      wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>      Pretty much, yeah. If you're breaking into my home, I presume you
>>>>>>> to be a
>>>>>>>      danger to me and mine. To do otherwise is suicidal. And regardless,
>>>>>>>  even if
>>>>>>>      they're only there to steal and I can somehow know this as they're
>>>>>>> kicking
>>>>>>>    in
>>>>>>>      my front door, I'm neither legally nor morally required to abandon
>>>>>>> my home
>>>>>>>    to
>>>>>>>      thieves or stand aside and let them have their way with my property.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      And more to the point, if *you* value my TV more than your own life, why
>>>>>>>      should I do any different?
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>      Point taken and as you say you ought to have the benefit of the doubt
>>>>>>      when it comes to your own abode.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Absolutely.  In a world that values property more than life.
>>>>    
>>>>    Once again, if the skell breaking into my house doesn't value his own life
>>>>    more than my property, why should I?
>>> 
>>>  Umm, in most households anyway, theft isn't considered suicidal.
>>  
>>  It is if you're in a place where gun ownership isn't restricted.
> 
> And a place where property is valued more than life.

If I'm at home when you come to take my property, my life is in danger, too.
So on one side you have a life. On the other, you have one or more lives, plus
property.

The math does itself.

>>  If you're in Texas and considering home invasion as a vocation, the
>>  probability that you'll be shot sooner rather than later is something you
>> need
>>  to seriously consider.
> 
> Or you find someone desperate enough they'll do the invasions for you.

The chose... poorly.