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On 6/14/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2025 16:37:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 14 Jun 2025 15:46:00 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2025 9:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14 Jun 2025 13:30:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:41:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:22 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:12 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 8:07 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 5:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:46 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:23 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zen how are you doing after the car hit seems like riding inside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As well as can be expected. PT and Orthopedist said indoor trainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fine, but stop if I feel any pain. Cracked ribs have healed, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder sprain is slow going (In the words of the ortho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everything is where it should be and somehow nothing is broken,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just crushed it). I passed the concussion protocol three days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the hit (failed it a few hours after the hit). I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rehab the MCL to a certain level before they'll schedule surgery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the ACL - Then it's another 6-9 months of rehab. They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking early august time frame for the surgery....maybe. IOW I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't be riding outside until next march at the earliest :( .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, I'd forgotten all about that. Sorry to hear it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's been mentioned here before, but thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious about what happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A pickup truck waited until I was just in front of him to accelerate
>>>>>>>>>>> from a stop sign. I didn't even have time to hit the brakes. Garmin
>>>>>>>>>>> shows me at about 23 mph at the time of impact.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/14315468852
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, sorry to hear it. There are some crashes that are just
>>>>>>>>>> unavoidable, just as with driving, walking, etc. Fortunately, they are
>>>>>>>>>> rare. Hope you heal quickly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really???   unavoidable crashes while walking?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the US you?re seem to be the outlier regarding pedestrians deaths, ie
>>>>>>>> other countries the trend to down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At any rate, those unavoidable crashes on bikes on streets and roads
>>>>>>>>> are primary reason I don't ride there much any more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks to be if any even more hostile for pedestrians in the US with wide
>>>>>>>> junctions/roads and right turning traffic, and essentially missing
>>>>>>>> pavement, aka infrastructure. Vs bikes which are faster and all that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hence I guess the walking and cycling rates, both usage and injuries. Which
>>>>>>>> are trending down/up in direct opposite to UK/Europe etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been involved in accidents while driving, and some while
>>>>>>> bicycling, but I've never had even had a "close call" while walking.
>>>>>>> Krygowski's comment about walking crashes" was because of his need to
>>>>>>> rationalize Juniors accident. Truth is that walking "crashes" are most
>>>>>>> likly to occur when the walker is walking where the law says he
>>>>>>> shouldn't be walking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is absolutely a car centric political move, aka car companies
>>>>>> lobbying to have jaywalking law passed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That and other laws/design choices make walking a much less useable for
>>>>>> utility, I?ve walked to get a few groceries then sat in cafe before
>>>>>> returning home. All very easy, much easier than car or bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?d assume that pedestrian deaths are kinda binary ie one is fine or not.
>>>>> The timid Floridian is still paranoid about bicycling, and apparently
>>>>> ignorant of relevant data - or more likely, rejecting relevant data
>>>>> because it doesn't jibe with his world view. ("Reality is biased against
>>>>> the right wing.")
>>>>>
>>>>> There are roughly 1000 bike fatalities per year in the U.S. vs. about
>>>>> 7000 pedestrian fatalities. Most sources say cycling is safer per mile
>>>>> traveled than pedestrian travel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed though considering how poorly provided for pedestrians seem to be in
>>>> the US and that the rate is rising compared to other 1st world etc places,
>>>> that?s a relatively low bar really!
>>>>
>>>> Would seem a slight increase in rate. Which is broadly what one would
>>>> expect I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely it?s clearly not a high risk method of travel, though as ever
>>>> risk and how comfortable it may feel are two different things.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> As I said, most pedestrian accidents happen where the pedistrian is
>>> not supposed to be, as dictated by law. Not so with bicycle accidents.
>>>
>>> Obey the law, reduce the risk.
>>>
>> And if your pedestrian crossing has right turning traffic etc, ie will have
>> cars crossing as you are despite the sigh for you to go as US is very much
>> about car design.
>>
>> Go for a walk about your neighbourhood and look really look at the
>> pavements and crossings.
>>
>> Other places tend not to have jaywalking laws and have big bustling city’s
>> and big roads but have lower fatalities rate and one that is getting lower
>> US is the outlier in that it’s increasing.
>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>>
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> Like I said elsewhere, location and circumstance are relevant. Just
> looking at total numbers and total miles traveled produces irrelevant
> conclusions, that "some ignorant people" accept because it fits their
> agenda.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

Without engaging this argument myself (meh) people do 
compare both per mile and per hour, and the population sizes 
are mostly conjecture anyway. (Who's a cyclist? Who's a 
pedestrian?) so any conclusion at all will be challenged.

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