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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Arkansas 10 commandments law suit filed
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:28:12 -0400
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Chris Thompson wrote:
> Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
>> <the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
>>
>>> Bob Casanova wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
>>>> in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wrote
>>>>> (in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
>>>>>> in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-ar 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
>>>>>>> nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to 
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 
>>>>>>> commandments.
>>>>>> I'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
>>>>>> differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
>>>>> you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate
>>>>> listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a 
>>>>> third, there
>>>>> isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT 
>>>>> according
>>>>> to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And 
>>>>> none of
>>>>> them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at 
>>>>> least two
>>>>> Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at 
>>>>> some of
>>>>> the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of 
>>>>> time I was
>>>>> forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no 
>>>>> longer have
>>>>> the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. 
>>>>> Apparently
>>>>> serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
>>>>>
>>>> Asked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
>>>> most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
>>>> expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
>>>> no theologian.
>>>
>>> Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
>>>
>> No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
>> sample.
> 
> Jenny Geddes was a Scottish woman in the 1600's. When King Charles (I 
> believe the 2nd) tried to unify the churches of England and Scotland 
> with a new Book of Common Prayer

Charles I.

Charles II was much too smart to try anything like that.  And as he 
didn't share his father's beliefs, he had no motive to.

To be fair to Charles I, if he had he example of Charles I to learn 
from, he would also have avoided that pitfall.


William Hyde