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Subject: Re: A bottomless pit of plagiarism
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:06:06 -0700
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On 6/14/2025 4:49 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-06-14 19:05:53 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
> 
>> On 6/14/2025 8:28 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:00:53 -0400, Cryptoengineer
>>> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:24 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 15:49:55 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Disney and Universal sue AI firm Midjourney over images"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search? 
>>>>>> q=midjourney+"a+bottomless+pit+of+plagiarism">
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PKB??
>>>>>
>>>>> The link is to a Google search result. "PKB" does not occur on it, at
>>>>> least not here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it would help if you specified the actual article (there are
>>>>> at least four, possibly more) in which "PKB" occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of what I am finding for "PKB" is from chemistry. I have doubts
>>>>> about that being relevant.
>>>>
>>>> PKB ->  Pot. Kettle. Black.
>>>
>>> That at least makes sense. If Disney/Pixar is in the plagiarism
>>> business, that is.
>>>
>>> Not that I am expressing an opinion about whether or not Midjourney's
>>> AI is plagiaristic, BTW.
>>
>> Disney has long been in the business of taking old classics and 
>> copyrighting them as their own.  Many of them not technically 
>> plagiarism, since the originals were never copyrighted.  Snow White 
>> and Cinderella, to name two off the top of my head.
>>
>> Winny the Pooh, they bought the rights to, I don't know about 
>> Pinocchio or James and the Giant Peach, though since Dahl was still 
>> alive when they made JatGP, I assume there was some sort of negotiation.
> 
> Winnie the Pooh itself is no longer copyright (expired in 2022), so 
> Disney doesn't own those now. Hence the idiotic "Blood and Honey" horror 
> movie version made recently. Disney does still own the copyright to 
> their version of Winnie the Pooh though.
> 
> Similarly, Disney doesn't own the copyrights to the older stoires of 
> Cinderlla, Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, etc. Disney only owns the 
> cpyrights for their own versions of those.
> 
> Roald Dahl refused to sell the movie rights for any of his works after 
> the "saccharine, sappy, and sentimental" mistreatment of the Charlie and 
> the Chocolate Factory movie with Gene Wilder. After he died, his widow 
> sold the James and the Giant Peach movie rights to Disney (she offered 
> them to other movie companies as well, but accepted Disney's agreement) 
> - she said Roald would have liked the movie, which is doubtful. In 2021 
> the Dahl family sold the copyrights for all his works to Netflix in 2021 
> for around US$500million.
> 
> 
Well, if you're going to sell out at least sell out BIG!

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