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From: Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: Arkansas 10 commandments law suit filed
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 21:44:44 -0400
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 07:50:25 -0400, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
> <the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
> 
>> Bob Casanova wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
>>> in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
>>> <the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>>> Bob Casanova wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
>>>>> in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wrote
>>>>>> (in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
>>>>>>> in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-ar
>>>>>>>> kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
>>>>>>>> nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to
>>>>>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
>>>>>>> I'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
>>>>>>> differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
>>>>>> you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate
>>>>>> listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there
>>>>>> isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according
>>>>>> to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of
>>>>>> them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two
>>>>>> Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of
>>>>>> the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was
>>>>>> forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have
>>>>>> the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently
>>>>>> serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Asked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
>>>>> most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
>>>>> expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
>>>>> no theologian.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
>>>>
>>> No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
>>> sample.
>>
>> Jenny Geddes was a Scottish woman in the 1600's. When King Charles (I
>> believe the 2nd) tried to unify the churches of England and Scotland
>> with a new Book of Common Prayer it was met with much unhappiness in
>> Scotland. Jenny Geddes threw her stool at an Anglican priest using the
>> new book in a service, and the resulting "unrest" helped spark the
>> Bishops' Wars, which led in turn to the English Civil Wars and a few
>> others. The Scots thought the new book too papist, and they were also
>> upset that a few Scottish saints had been omitted. To be fair there was
>> also politics involved, as the Anglican church had bishops appointed by
>> the King and the Church of Scotland had them elected by local elders
>> (the presbyters) but the Scottish Calvinists weren't about to put up
>> with anything that even remotely seemed like Catholicism.
>>
> OK; (original) point taken.
> 
> Oy...

Oy indeed

>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are
>>>>>> likely to be unamused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just
>>>>>> to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
>>>>>>