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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Wayland or X11, was: Re: Upcoming time boundary events Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:56:51 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <102sa93$2hhm5$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7d66dd176d09067607d49ce87674e3f"; logging-data="2672325"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+o5X3oAKv3zJ9iycEAih+gnXlBgTqzoaA=" User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (VMS/Multinet) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7BbhcDNlaMonSXp10xSUXtNi9WE= On 2025-06-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > Yes, there is some Linux-envy. For example, while systemd itself is Linux- > only, some in the BSD camp have been working on a systemd-looklike called > ?InitWare?. Also they see the need to move off X11 at some point and onto > Wayland. Linux containers are also another area which the BSDs cannot > quite match functionally. And there?s the network stack etc etc. > WTH is this dogma about forced moving from X11 to Wayland all about ? :-( It seems that the old approach of gradually introducing the "new thing" as an alternative while fixing any limitations or issues then identified (when compared to the "old way") no longer exists. If you introduce a replacement something, it should at least do everything the old "something" did, yet the Wayland people are so full of themselves they think they can just force the use of Wayland without considering how it breaks existing applications (including major ones such as KiCad). Are the Wayland people being secretly funded by Microsoft ? :-( Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.