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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:49:05 -0400
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On 6/17/2025 9:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:12:57 -0400, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> 
>> `On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:42:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/17/2025 12:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:17:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unlike some here, I think it's nonsense to say that nothing is
>>>>> quantifiable, that _everything_ is subjective. That attitude is just a
>>>>> lazy thinker's way of pretending one's uninformed opinion is always right.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't buy that attitude - maybe in part because in my profession, I
>>>>> was paid to (among many other things) correct other's mistakes. My
>>>>> education taught me to pay attention to data, and I taught that to others.
>>>>
>>>> Sure you paid attention to the nonsense data that said that having a
>>>> gun in your house made it more likely to get shot.
>>>
>>> <https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762>
>>> "Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among
>>> cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners
>>> (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated
>>> rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm
>>> (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides
>>> occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of
>>> being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner (adjusted hazard
>>> ratio, 7.16 [CI, 4.04 to 12.69]); 84% of these victims were female."
>>>
>>> <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/>
>>> "For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally
>>> justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven
>>> criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
>>>
>>> "Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
>>> fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
>>> attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."
>>
>> <CHUCKLE> Krygowski lacks the intellectual ability to see that his
>> cite doesn't even address his claim that guns in the home make it more
>> likely you'd be shot.
>>
>> The study looked at 626 shootings in several cities. There's no
>> mention of how and why they picked those cities. They could have been
>> cherry picked because the results fit their agenda.
>>
>> Dimbulb Krygowski doesn't question the data because it fits his
>> agenda, so he just repeats what the people (who are they, and what's
>> their agenda) who ran the study tell him.
>>
>>>> Krygowski is totally obsessed with me.
>>>
>>> :-)  HA! _That_ got an outright laugh!
>>
>>
>> ...and Krygowski demonstrates agaon, that he is totally obsessed with
>> me. I'll bet he lies awake night thinking what he can say to get back
>> at me for pointing out what a wussy he is.
> 
> When he first posted that study I had a look at then numbers and yes,
> IF there is a gun in the house AND a homicide is committed in the
> house it will likely be committed with a gun. Which seems logical.
> 
> But this has NO relationship to his unspoken conclusion that a gun in
> the house results in homicides.

"Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among 
cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners."

What part of that don't you understand?
-- 
- Frank Krygowski