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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: SolidWorks is cool, sort of (but FreeCAD might be better) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 01:57:33 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <102tv23$318i4$1@dont-email.me> References: <6oa35k5tfdfi6ng3hvghp4rm49u3pgnslq@4ax.com> <102srpm$2m0jt$3@dont-email.me> <4tt35kpjij4d1mco2u26t5bkm3f2c0cdsj@4ax.com> <102t03p$2mtm4$5@dont-email.me> <102t5v3$2nqna$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dc58a074756a12ba20776513f7921b37"; logging-data="3187268"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX198XgqxjosE6t6TuFY2dVTL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ed7aWHfrMX8kD5aikP1oPpjj3k4= In-Reply-To: <102t5v3$2nqna$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 6/17/2025 6:49 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote: > Especially when you are not even able to BUY that software, only rent. Not > just it gets extremely expensive after couple of years like it is now with > e.g. Altium Designer -- its cost PER YEAR is now the same as I paid for my > PERPETUAL license when those were still available and "subscription" was > (still "is" for me as mine only expires in 2027) something like 1/4..1/3 of > that and not mandatory. The biggest problem is what are you going to do when > the company goes bust (it is not "if", it is _ALWAYS_ "when" -- the bigger > they are the harder they fall) or just decides they don't want to support > that outdated weirdo anymore when they have a newer one or suddenly want 10x > last year price... PC-based CAD/EDA tools have always been a gamble. The market is too small and the customers don't want to pay for ongoing support/development (the "I can do all that stuff myself" econo-mentality). I dropped ~$15K on the DASH suite in 1986. Where is it today? (where was it in 1990??) PCAD, Protel, OrCAD, Cadence, DIPtrace, etc. [Sad as STRIDES was one of the slickest tools I've used!] OTOH, you could have purchased a Mentor Graphics workstation and still be running PADS. Is Computervision still in business? (does anyone maintain their hardware?). OTOH, I bought AutoCAD w/AME in the same timeframe (about $3K) and it's been there for me in the 40 years since! I'd still be waiting for FOSS tools to have the capabilities I *bought* those many decades ago! gEDA, KiCAD, FreeCAD... what happens when the developers move on to the next "greatest" thing? Are you willing to take on maintenance of the codebase -- even if only for yourself? Ask yourself what your time is worth and how much the tool is saving (or costing!) you. Simple business decision. [E.g., I no longer maintain color printers as the cost far exceeds what I have to pay if I print on a professionally maintained machine at the end of the block!] Whatever tools (not just EDA/CAD) you use, be sure you can keep running them (or, resurrect them, as needed) for as long as you need to support <whatever> you've used them for (hardware designs tend to be very transitory; though I've a client who has somehow kept one of my designs in production for ~30 years... I have absolutely no idea how he finds the parts to do so! :< ) [VMs are the obvious choice for tools that can run on generic hardware. Things get a bit more complicated when you need special hardware to host the tools <frown>]