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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:50:18 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <102ujna$369b2$4@dont-email.me> References: <102sjg5$2k3e9$1@dont-email.me> <1607e7860c899b930b87d371c747708dbeaf1062@i2pn2.org> <102t67r$2o80a$1@dont-email.me> <102u3et$31q0g$4@dont-email.me> <102ufv8$35emj$1@dont-email.me> <dc7254ded3893833b22f666b467c70c5b5832ef9@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 16:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="181068feba52be991947ff9f62d7131d"; logging-data="3351906"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+Lf6gX+CMy5uQj10fir7C" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:PvqlHMw5kLxOS9WqzVuOU+q2VzE= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250618-4, 6/18/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <dc7254ded3893833b22f666b467c70c5b5832ef9@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 6/18/2025 9:05 AM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 18 Jun 2025 08:46:16 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 6/18/2025 5:12 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 18.jun.2025 om 03:54 schreef olcott: >>>> On 6/17/2025 8:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/17/25 4:34 PM, olcott wrote: > >>>>>> When it is understood that HHH does simulate itself simulating DDD >>>>>> then any first year CS student knows that when each of the above are >>>>>> correctly simulated by HHH that none of them ever stop running >>>>>> unless aborted. >>>>> >>>>> WHich means that the code for HHH is part of the input, and thus >>>>> there is just ONE HHH in existance at this time. >>>>> Since that code aborts its simulation to return the answer that you >>>>> claim, you are just lying that it did a correct simulation (which in >>>>> this context means complete) >>>>> >>>> *none of them ever stop running unless aborted* >>> >>> All of them do abort and their simulation does not need an abort. >>> >> *It is not given that any of them abort* > Huh? They contain the code to abort, even if it is not simulated. > *none of them ever stop running unless aborted* yes or no? The favorite fake rebuttal of changing the subject will not be tolerated. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer