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From: chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 01:51:27 +0100
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On 6/19/25 01:07, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 6/18/2025 7:47 PM, chrisq wrote:
>> On 6/17/25 23:15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 21:35:28 +0100, chrisq wrote:
>>>> Looks political, in the same way that I saw systemd as a power grab by
>>>> RedHat.
>>>
>>> The number one rule for any good conspiracy theory: “Cui bono?” aka “Who
>>> benefits?”, aka “Follow the money”.
>>>
>>> What kind of business model is it for Red Hat to force competitors into
>>> using its products for free? Even assuming it has the kind of market
>>> muscle to achieve that, which it doesn’t.
>>
>> Good try, but Red Hat is now IBM, so you have ask yourself, is it good
>> that any single, powerful organisation should have so much influence 
>> over the future direction of Linux ?. Since no mainstream Linux will run
>> without systemd in place, I would say that the trojan horse has 
>> achieved its objective.
>>
>> As for money, Red Hat, Suse and others, all make good money from their
>> support services, and are doing very well thanks. Good luck to them,
> 
> Note that Redhat (and smaller like SUSE) are not making as much money
> as they did 10 years ago. And as a consequence their power over Linux
> has also diminished.
> 
> The reason is that people have been moving from on-prem and pure IaaS
> cloud to other cloud options - EKS, AKS etc.. And that has meant
> a change from the paid enterprise Linuxes to various free options
> (cloud providers own Linux distro and Ubuntu).
> 
>> but it was easier for me to dump Linux and run FreeBSD, which has zfs 
>> root options at boot / install time, and is a far more professional and
>> stable looking OS.
>>
>> Linus is now just a good windows replacement, but would never use it for
>> serious work now. Far too much dross and trying to be all things to all
>> men.
> 
> ????
> 
> The majority of servers today run Linux and Kubernetes.
> 
> Linux servers must outnumber *BSD servers by factor 100 or 1000.
> 
> Usage may not be a good indicator of technical quality but it
> is an indicator of fit for business purpose.
> 
> Arne
> 

Not an industry insider, but always did like older Suse and also
Debian, but was quite disappointed when Debian moved over to the
dark side. They must have thought they had good reason and perhaps
that was the way things were going, as systemd might make system
management easier at a superficial level. That is, deskilling at that 
level, but a devil to debug and opaque if something serious breaks.

It just offends every concept of good system design. primarily
partitioning of function and encapsualtion. It's just so wrong,
amazing it has got so far.

Chris