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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Why I've Dropped In Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 02:51:25 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <5fda535009b228440ddbe3a2cd6ab0d3@www.novabbs.org> References: <0c857b8347f07f3a0ca61c403d0a8711@www.novabbs.com> <3a6eba4b534dea030b8349dc39cf9420@www.novabbs.org> <e9abef6b162ffd64be7891afbfb79a99@www.novabbs.com> <102jc8k$25im$1@dont-email.me> <defd47e72f624f949ad1279b41ed0739@www.novabbs.com> <jwv1pre2wpf.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <efc90a52009bd6664d5a851c70dc25b3@www.novabbs.org> <jwvv7oq1f1m.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <4f573f3cbfec9f20ed75a0d0fb18005d@www.novabbs.org> <1035321$kqfj$2@paganini.bofh.team> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1374079"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="o5SwNDfMfYu6Mv4wwLiW6e/jbA93UAdzFodw5PEa6eU"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: cb29269328a20fe5719ed6a1c397e21f651bda71 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$4AleyKRThngn89nG80nV7.SXVr65QC66L/Nnew73IDyxZJK3xo9Z2 On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 1:48:51 +0000, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:48:20 +0000, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >>>> Creating the hidden bit is 2-gates of delay (H,F,D,Q). >>> >>> How come it's not free in hardware? >>> Is it only because of denormalized? >> >> hidden = operand.exponent != 0 >> >> Which is an 11-input NAND gate. I suspect you could assume it is 1 >> and special case the result, but even special casing the result >> cannot be less than 1-gate (a multiplexer). >> >> You DO end up special casing Infinities and NaNs; anyway. >> >> Special = operand.exponent == 0b11111111111 >> >> Which is an 11-input AND gate. > > But do explicit bit lead to a difference? IIUC FPU need to > special cases anyway. I would guess that a flag normal/special > could save some time, but once FPU knows that it deals with > normal numbers hidden bit should be effectively free. FADD/SUB starts out with an exponent subtract, so you have time to "invent" the hidden bit at almost zero cost. FMUL/MAC/DIV/SQRT starts out with a big multiplexer (float,double) that allows one to invent the hidden bit at near zero cost. FCMP does not need to "invent" the hidden bit because it is a sign- magnitude integer compare (with special cases). So, the cost is between actual zero, and nearly zero if your circuit designer is worth being on the payroll.