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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: How are criminals arrested
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 11:06:35 -0400
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On 6/20/2025 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/20/2025 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/20/2025 5:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2025 4:14 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 15:43:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/20/2025 2:31 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:41:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri Jun 20 17:38:58 2025 Beej Jorgensen  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But at least he's going to finally get a day in court. Holy 
>>>>>>>> moly. Maybe
>>>>>>>> take the easy way next time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     MAGAtards? I doubt it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When was the last time you served on a jury?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Anyone with an IQ higher than a cockroaches' usually manages
>>>>>> to get off a jury. If the suspect is Latino just say you don't care
>>>>>> much for Latinos, but don't actually hate them but would NEVER date
>>>>>> one. His lawyer will reject you.
>>>>>>     It's a PITA. You don't get paid, might even lose your job if
>>>>>> it takes a long time, and sometimes the family will seek revenge, or
>>>>>> worse, friends might think you took the wrong decision.. If you are
>>>>>> self employed, those days are lost.
>>>>>>     You will very rarely see someone with a higher education
>>>>>> serving in a jury here in Brazil.
>>>>>>     As to "Beej Jorgensen" I suspect he would avoid jury duty if
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Of course, there are the sociopaths that enjoy being on a
>>>>>> jury. They get off on the power they get to wreck someone's life for
>>>>>> good. The more innocent he is, the bigger the thrill when he's
>>>>>> convicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     PS changed the subject. There is no such thing as a "illegal"
>>>>>> human being. Look it up in the bibel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll take your word on scripture but illegal aliens are
>>>>> deportable under USA and Brasil statutes, like most if not
>>>>> all countries.
>>>>
>>>>     In Brazil they have a trial. And they can appeal if that goes
>>>> against them. But then we're a rich country, we can afford those
>>>> little quirks which are practically universal in non- totalitarian
>>>> cultures.
>>>>     I hear the US is suddenly bankrupt. Maybe you really can't
>>>> afford it.
>>>>     []'s
>>>
>>> [sigh]  This country's been broke since before I was born.
>> How is it, then, that we spend more on military than the next dozen or 
>> more countries combined?
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
>> List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures>
>>
>> Oh hey, maybe _that's_ why we're "broke."
> 
> Nice story, and it's true because we do have more obligations than 
> anyone else, but it's not singularly why we're broke.
> 
> We grew up in a healthy economy and a Federal budget of 50% Defense.  
> Defense is now about 12~14%, see 3d chart here:
> 
> https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend-on-the-military/
> 
> Or as a portion of GNP, now GDP:
> https://econofact.org/u-s-defense-spending-in-historical-and- 
> international-context
> 
> Actual defense budget over time shows dramatic growth*, but not so much 
> inflation adjusted, or in comparison to the total economy, nor in 
> comparison to transfer programs.
> 
> You can advocate one way or the other, and nearly everyone does, but 
> comparison to other countries is rife with apples-oranges error.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * One driver is repeatedly expanded veterans' medical benefits, which no 
> one want to cut and few want to slow those expansions.
> 
> Another is the Pentagon's open admission, over many years, that they 
> misplace. steal, lose or otherwise piss away about half of their very 
> large budget.  Less than other Departments, but still a lot of money.

That sounds like a lot of "yeah but..."

It's likely that other countries have similar factors at play, yet still 
spend far, far less than we do.

Oh, except one factor most other countries lack is a heavy burden of 
veteran medical benefits. Somehow all those other nations have far more 
efficient medical systems covering everyone, so veterans are not a 
special expense.

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- Frank Krygowski