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On 6/21/2025 10:06 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/20/2025 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/20/2025 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2025 5:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2025 4:14 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 15:43:10 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/20/2025 2:31 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:41:43 GMT, cyclintom 
>>>>>>> <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri Jun 20 17:38:58 2025 Beej Jorgensen  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But at least he's going to finally get a day in 
>>>>>>>>> court. Holy moly. Maybe
>>>>>>>>> take the easy way next time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     MAGAtards? I doubt it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When was the last time you served on a jury?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Anyone with an IQ higher than a cockroaches' 
>>>>>>> usually manages
>>>>>>> to get off a jury. If the suspect is Latino just say 
>>>>>>> you don't care
>>>>>>> much for Latinos, but don't actually hate them but 
>>>>>>> would NEVER date
>>>>>>> one. His lawyer will reject you.
>>>>>>>     It's a PITA. You don't get paid, might even lose 
>>>>>>> your job if
>>>>>>> it takes a long time, and sometimes the family will 
>>>>>>> seek revenge, or
>>>>>>> worse, friends might think you took the wrong 
>>>>>>> decision.. If you are
>>>>>>> self employed, those days are lost.
>>>>>>>     You will very rarely see someone with a higher 
>>>>>>> education
>>>>>>> serving in a jury here in Brazil.
>>>>>>>     As to "Beej Jorgensen" I suspect he would avoid 
>>>>>>> jury duty if
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Of course, there are the sociopaths that enjoy 
>>>>>>> being on a
>>>>>>> jury. They get off on the power they get to wreck 
>>>>>>> someone's life for
>>>>>>> good. The more innocent he is, the bigger the thrill 
>>>>>>> when he's
>>>>>>> convicted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     PS changed the subject. There is no such thing as 
>>>>>>> a "illegal"
>>>>>>> human being. Look it up in the bibel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll take your word on scripture but illegal aliens are
>>>>>> deportable under USA and Brasil statutes, like most if 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> all countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>     In Brazil they have a trial. And they can appeal if 
>>>>> that goes
>>>>> against them. But then we're a rich country, we can 
>>>>> afford those
>>>>> little quirks which are practically universal in non- 
>>>>> totalitarian
>>>>> cultures.
>>>>>     I hear the US is suddenly bankrupt. Maybe you 
>>>>> really can't
>>>>> afford it.
>>>>>     []'s
>>>>
>>>> [sigh]  This country's been broke since before I was born.
>>> How is it, then, that we spend more on military than the 
>>> next dozen or more countries combined?
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
>>> List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures>
>>>
>>> Oh hey, maybe _that's_ why we're "broke."
>>
>> Nice story, and it's true because we do have more 
>> obligations than anyone else, but it's not singularly why 
>> we're broke.
>>
>> We grew up in a healthy economy and a Federal budget of 
>> 50% Defense. Defense is now about 12~14%, see 3d chart here:
>>
>> https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend- 
>> on-the-military/
>>
>> Or as a portion of GNP, now GDP:
>> https://econofact.org/u-s-defense-spending-in-historical- 
>> and- international-context
>>
>> Actual defense budget over time shows dramatic growth*, 
>> but not so much inflation adjusted, or in comparison to 
>> the total economy, nor in comparison to transfer programs.
>>
>> You can advocate one way or the other, and nearly everyone 
>> does, but comparison to other countries is rife with 
>> apples-oranges error.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * One driver is repeatedly expanded veterans' medical 
>> benefits, which no one want to cut and few want to slow 
>> those expansions.
>>
>> Another is the Pentagon's open admission, over many years, 
>> that they misplace. steal, lose or otherwise piss away 
>> about half of their very large budget.  Less than other 
>> Departments, but still a lot of money.
> 
> That sounds like a lot of "yeah but..."
> 
> It's likely that other countries have similar factors at 
> play, yet still spend far, far less than we do.
> 
> Oh, except one factor most other countries lack is a heavy 
> burden of veteran medical benefits. Somehow all those other 
> nations have far more efficient medical systems covering 
> everyone, so veterans are not a special expense.
> 

Right I am neither a Pentagon cheerleader nor a 'no more 
wars' advocate. IMHO our military is necessary, albeit 
expensive, inefficient and poorly managed, but the 
alternates are worse.

As always YMMV and in this case, it does.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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