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On 6/21/2025 2:45 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the immigrants
>>> are uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
>>
>> What does that have to do with being able to pay into the social security
>> system?
>>
>> My grandparents were uneducated and my grandmother never did learn English
>> even after seventy years in the country.  But she ran a cheese factory and
>> became a successful businessperson.
> 
> Indeed.  The vast majority (even omitting H1B holders) of immigrants
> contribute to social security, medicare and pay taxes[*] just like
> everyone else.   The H1B holders generally have post secondary
> educations and contribute at a higher rate.
> 
> [*] Particularly the regressive taxes such as sales taxes, tolls and fees.
> 
> Lynn seems to have some basic prejudices against Muslims and foreigners
> generally.  Probably been reading too much krapman.  Or maybe there is
> something in the water in Texas.
> 
All of the above.

>>
>>> It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
>>> graduates and English competency only.  We still allow about 1.3 million
>>> people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
>>> existing citizens.
>>
>> When was this?  It certainly wasn't when my grandparents came here.
> 
> Or my great-great grandparents, none of whom had college
> educations.  At least two of them fought for the Union
> in the civil war.
> 
> Heck, with McGuire as a surname, his family must surely have
> heard the phrase "Irish need not apply" when they immigrated.
> 


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