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On 6/22/2025 5:32 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 6/21/2025 2:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2025 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2025 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/2025 5:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/20/2025 4:14 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 15:43:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2025 2:31 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:41:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri Jun 20 17:38:58 2025 Beej Jorgensen  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But at least he's going to finally get a day in court. Holy
>>>>>>>>>>>> moly. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> take the easy way next time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      MAGAtards? I doubt it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When was the last time you served on a jury?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Anyone with an IQ higher than a cockroaches' usually manages
>>>>>>>>>> to get off a jury. If the suspect is Latino just say you don't care
>>>>>>>>>> much for Latinos, but don't actually hate them but would NEVER date
>>>>>>>>>> one. His lawyer will reject you.
>>>>>>>>>>      It's a PITA. You don't get paid, might even lose your job if
>>>>>>>>>> it takes a long time, and sometimes the family will seek revenge, or
>>>>>>>>>> worse, friends might think you took the wrong decision.. If you are
>>>>>>>>>> self employed, those days are lost.
>>>>>>>>>>      You will very rarely see someone with a higher education
>>>>>>>>>> serving in a jury here in Brazil.
>>>>>>>>>>      As to "Beej Jorgensen" I suspect he would avoid jury duty if
>>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>>>      []'s
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Of course, there are the sociopaths that enjoy being on a
>>>>>>>>>> jury. They get off on the power they get to wreck someone's life for
>>>>>>>>>> good. The more innocent he is, the bigger the thrill when he's
>>>>>>>>>> convicted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      PS changed the subject. There is no such thing as a "illegal"
>>>>>>>>>> human being. Look it up in the bibel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll take your word on scripture but illegal aliens are
>>>>>>>>> deportable under USA and Brasil statutes, like most if not
>>>>>>>>> all countries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      In Brazil they have a trial. And they can appeal if that goes
>>>>>>>> against them. But then we're a rich country, we can afford those
>>>>>>>> little quirks which are practically universal in non- totalitarian
>>>>>>>> cultures.
>>>>>>>>      I hear the US is suddenly bankrupt. Maybe you really can't
>>>>>>>> afford it.
>>>>>>>>      []'s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [sigh]  This country's been broke since before I was born.
>>>>>> How is it, then, that we spend more on military than the next dozen or
>>>>>> more countries combined?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>>>> List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh hey, maybe _that's_ why we're "broke."
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice story, and it's true because we do have more obligations than
>>>>> anyone else, but it's not singularly why we're broke.
>>>>>
>>>>> We grew up in a healthy economy and a Federal budget of 50% Defense.
>>>>> Defense is now about 12~14%, see 3d chart here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend-on-the-military/
>>>>>
>>>>> Or as a portion of GNP, now GDP:
>>>>> https://econofact.org/u-s-defense-spending-in-historical-and-
>>>>> international-context
>>>>>
>>>>> Actual defense budget over time shows dramatic growth*, but not so much
>>>>> inflation adjusted, or in comparison to the total economy, nor in
>>>>> comparison to transfer programs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can advocate one way or the other, and nearly everyone does, but
>>>>> comparison to other countries is rife with apples-oranges error.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * One driver is repeatedly expanded veterans' medical benefits, which no
>>>>> one want to cut and few want to slow those expansions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another is the Pentagon's open admission, over many years, that they
>>>>> misplace. steal, lose or otherwise piss away about half of their very
>>>>> large budget.  Less than other Departments, but still a lot of money.
>>>>
>>>> That sounds like a lot of "yeah but..."
>>>>
>>>> It's likely that other countries have similar factors at play, yet still
>>>> spend far, far less than we do.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, except one factor most other countries lack is a heavy burden of
>>>> veteran medical benefits. Somehow all those other nations have far more
>>>> efficient medical systems covering everyone, so veterans are not a
>>>> special expense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> US does for developed countries spend more of a % of its GDP on military
>>> for various reasons ie political mainly, just for defence would be somewhat
>>> lower, after all US has 11 Aircraft carriers which is overkill.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's not overkill at all. In fact US Navy is dangerously low
>> of ships and of personnel. (more seriously in transport than
>> in combat hulls).
>>
>> We have obligations and threats which UK does not, what with
>> your single smallish carrier.
>>
> The obligations and threats are well beyond just defensive measures, which
> is why the US needs such a large military, for that role which is well
> beyond just defensive.
> 
> We have two I believe and are relatively large carriers just not US sized
> ones!
> 
>> That said, our Navy keeps scoring own goals with my money
>> which is a decades-long series of disappointments:
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14525529/Why-supposedly-state-art-American-warship-built-Italians-risks-humiliating-US-Navy.html
>>
>> We also promised two Virginia class hulls to Australia which
>> we are not actually able to build.  Stay tuned.
>>
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 

I was mistaken.  Yes, two carriers:


https://www.globalmilitary.net/navies/gbr/


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