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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: There is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:55:26 -0400
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On 6/5/2025 11:14 PM, Marion wrote:
> There is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
> Or is there?
> 
> That is the question....
> 
> This deserves its own thread because Apple owners are generally completely
> ignorant of how Apple devices operate as dumb terminals, simply becasue
> Apple owners are, by and large, herd animals who never use their brains.
> 
> Given Apple's (brilliant) marketing advertises otherwise, Apple owners are
> clueless that there is no common consumer operating system _less_ private
> than an iOS device is.
> 
> One of the reasons the privacy of every other common consumer operating
> system is NOT available with iOS, is the requirement for a mothership
> login.
> 
> With that login, Apple keeps track of an *immense* amount of data about
> you. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Google can't do that, unless you're dumb
> enough to create a mothership login on Windows or Android.
> 
> But we know computers so we're not that stupid.
> Well, Apple owners don't understand this.
> 
> Which is why I bring it up to the fore.
> 
> If you think an Apple device is NOT the least private common consumer
> device out there, please let us know why you think that's not the case?
> 
> Note: You might think you could just not create an Apple account on that
> device, but most of your native software will not be updated over time; so
> that's not even a realistic option (compared to not creating a mothership
> account on Windows or Android - which has no negative implications).
> 
>    =============< original post below >====================
> 
> 
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 19:17:33 -0400, Joel wrote :
> 
> 
>>> Lots of people don't want to use either one of those.
>>
>> Yeah, sure, they want their video games, commercial apps, it's
>> pathetic.  They know nothing like we know of computers.
> 
> I turned off everything I could when I set up Windows 10 long ago.
> Anytime something shows up, I kill it as soon as I figure what it is.
> I pity people who don't know how computers work who don't do that.
> 
> Take Android users, for example.
> Certainly I don't have a Google Account set up on that phone.
> Even though, if I wanted to, I could use Google products.
> a. I can get email - I just have to use FairEmail (or equivalent)
> b. I can navigate - I just have to NOT log into Google Maps
> c. I can subscribe to YouTube channels - I just use NewPipe instead
> d. I can download apps off the Google repo - I just don't use Google Play
> e. I can do calendaring - I just use Etar instead of Google's calendar
> f. I can do messaging - I just use PulseSMS instead of Google messenger
> etc.
> 
> It's much harder with my iOS devices since Apple hates you having privacy.
> The iOS device is by far the least private device that consumers own.
> 
> What's super interesting is Apple owners actually think otherwise?
> Why?
> 
> Because Apple told Apple owners that the iOS device is private.
> Even though there is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
> 
> Like I said, I pity people who don't know what we know about computers.
>   


Guess what? In the near future Google will require 2FA to logon. For 
most people that means supplying a phone number. Many financial 
institutions and other sites including social networking already require 
2FA. Cell phones are really handy for getting text messages.

You go to a LOT of trouble to avoid the convenience of a Google account. 
Most people don't seem to care that much.