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On 26/06/2025 08:18, Xocyll wrote:
>> When it comes to the car I do basically nothing beyond filling up
>> windscreen washer fluid. Everything else someone else can do it. Even
>> when it came to changing one of the reverse lights I was going to do it
>> myself as looking on YouTube made it look easy. I'm glad I didn't as in
>> the end it turned out not to be not so easy and even the guy who did it
>> said it was one of those cars that he doesn't like doing as it's really
>> fiddly.

> Yeah it can really depend heavily on the make and model of car - some
> manufacturers do the stupidest shit.
> Like those Japanese cars where the engine is shoehorned in so tight, you
> have to pull it out to change the spark plugs on one side.
> Who thought that was a good idea?
> 
It wasn't quite that bad but it certainly wasn't the simple job show in 
the video as the fitting had some hard to get to screws that retained 
the lighting board. The good thing though the shop that does it puts a 
low fixed cost on doing it.

>> I also had one of my friends berate me for not knowing how to change a
>> wheel (technical I kinda do know how to do it even though I've never
>> done it) as what happens if I get a puncture. I kindly pointed out that
>> the car had run flat tyres so you can get to a garage and just as
>> importantly there is no spare wheel.

> Most cars do not have run flats, but yeah I hear ya on the spare, the
> most you get these days is one of those tiny "space saver" donut tires.
> 
The conversation with my friend did lead to me looking at how many cars 
in the UK have spare tyres and it's about 10%, and falling, in the UK.

>> The positive though, we have a garage near us that does a good job and
>> also won't rip you off which is more that can be said for the official
>> dealer. I stopped using them for anything many years ago after during a
>> service they charged £35 just for topping up the windscreen washer
>> fluid. How the feck can you justify that price as an additional cost of
>> a service.

> You answered that with your first line "When it comes to the car I do
> basically nothing beyond filling up windscreen washer fluid."
> 
> When they have clients incapable of doing the most basic things, they
> charge em for it.
> 
> They're happy to pay, since it absolves them of having to think.

What got me about it was how it was an additional cost (among others) 
which made me think why am I pay a large base cost for a service if 
you're going to charge me extra for what should be included. I also had 
a feeling that there were 'looking' for things to charge for.

If you compare that to the garage we now use it's not good. When getting 
the brake pads and discs replaced I went in next day the guy said that 
had also topped up the engine oil as it was quite low. When I asked how 
much that was the reply I got was don't worry about it.