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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: ChatGPT agrees that I have refuted the conventional Halting Problem proof technique --- Full 38 page analysis Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 23:26:07 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <103l6gv$3ul4b$2@dont-email.me> References: <103acoo$vp7v$1@dont-email.me> <728b9512cbf8dbf79931bfd3d5dbed265447d765@i2pn2.org> <103cvjc$1k41c$1@dont-email.me> <be0bff3b8d006e02858b9791d8508499992cbfda@i2pn2.org> <103edbp$22250$5@dont-email.me> <103g91n$2kugi$1@dont-email.me> <103h5dc$2rinm$4@dont-email.me> <103j1di$3bke4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 06:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a5e8bf149ad22c63d77dbd8bd904cd54"; logging-data="4150411"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/d3LEMnh0/c+esPHZ86Gwf" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q6PnlO64R3B6uJwLoTLe7u/D3IM= In-Reply-To: <103j1di$3bke4$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250626-6, 6/26/2025), Outbound message On 6/26/2025 3:46 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 25.jun.2025 om 17:42 schreef olcott: >> On 6/25/2025 2:38 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-06-24 14:39:52 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> *ChatGPT and I agree that* >>>> The directly executed DDD() is merely the first step of >>>> otherwise infinitely recursive emulation that is terminated >>>> at its second step. >>> >>> No matter who agrees, the directly executed DDD is mote than >>> merely the first step of otherwise infinitely recursive >>> emulation that is terminated at its second step. Not much >>> more but anyway. After the return of HHH(DDD) there is the >>> return from DDD which is the last thing DDD does before its >>> termination. >>> >> >> *HHH(DDD) the input to HHH specifies non-terminating behavior* >> The fact that DDD() itself halts does not contradict that >> because the directly executing DDD() cannot possibly be an >> input to HHH in the Turing machine model of computation, >> thus is outside of the domain of HHH. >> > > Why repeating claims that have been proven incorrect. > The input to HHH is a pointer to code, that includes the code of HHH, > including the code to abort and halt. Therefore, it specifies a halting > program. *No, you are using an incorrect measure* *I have addressed this too many times* DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own simulated "return" statement final halt state *No matter what HHH does* Therefore the input to HHH(DD) unequivocally specifies non-halting behavior. > That HHH is programmed to be blind for that behaviour does not change > the specification. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer