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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 09:26:41 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <103m9n1$6dce$4@dont-email.me> References: <102n9bo$13mp8$3@dont-email.me> <102om2v$1h6pn$2@dont-email.me> <102q5m6$1tklk$1@dont-email.me> <102rcg2$29lrl$1@dont-email.me> <102rugu$2doc9$8@dont-email.me> <102u1a5$31q0f$1@dont-email.me> <102umo0$369b2$13@dont-email.me> <1030jah$3pfos$1@dont-email.me> <1031a1m$3u901$9@dont-email.me> <1033aej$m26r$5@dont-email.me> <1033sll$2uqj$2@dont-email.me> <10399dl$jvs0$1@dont-email.me> <1039lft$n1od$3@dont-email.me> <103b30q$14nvb$1@dont-email.me> <103bpj3$1a3c8$2@dont-email.me> <103dljq$1sp55$1@dont-email.me> <103ebck$22250$2@dont-email.me> <103g4rs$2jugs$1@dont-email.me> <103h07f$2q86f$3@dont-email.me> <103j6u5$3dds8$1@dont-email.me> <103l67e$3ul4b$1@dont-email.me> <103legd$bn2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 16:26:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a5e8bf149ad22c63d77dbd8bd904cd54"; logging-data="210318"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18HpVUTxEhdwZC56BC8V1H1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6Fer1Ol7s5OUo1R+AumLDRcjHzU= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250627-6, 6/27/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <103legd$bn2$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 6/27/2025 1:42 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-06-27 04:21:01 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 6/26/2025 5:20 AM, Mikko wrote:>>> >>> In computer science the only measure of non-halting is the >>> possibility to execute an unlimited number of steps without >>> halting. An execution of a limited number of steps does not >>> count as non-haltign. >> >> Halting means reaching a final halt state. > > And non-halting means unlimited execution. > Not at all. The measure has always been can't possibly reach final halt state. If it was not that way then smashing a computer with a sledge hammer would "prove" that an infinite loop halts. DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own simulated "return" statement final halt state. That the directly executed DDD() halts does not contradict this because directly executing processes are outside of the domain of partial halt deciders. HHH is only accountable for the actual behavior that its input actually specifies. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer