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From: Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
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Subject: Re: Outdoor Welding
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 09:21:10 -0700
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On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:103kkic$3nnjj$1@dont-email.me...
> 
> I've made a few parts to scribe lines and center punches.  I made a
> point of it after my son gave me an optical center punch set for
> Christmas one year.  I even have a couple height gages with carbide
> scribes for helping with layout, although one usually only gets used to
> measure tool heights to be entered into a CNC machine's tool table.  Its
> pretty scary when I bring that carbide scribe down on top of a 0.026"
> ball nose end mill to measure the height.
> Bob La Londe
> --------------------------
> I haven't seen much if any need for manual layout when making new parts 
> to drawings, it's for modifying existing parts and castings that lack 
> drawings and reference surfaces. I use it to mount electrical components 
> in plastic cases that compress when held firmly enough in the milling 
> vise and can't be repeatedly zeroed.
> 
> For instance I repaired a pivot hole in a control handle that had become 
> egg-shaped almost to uselessness by locating the original center by 
> running a plug against the unworn side, boring the hole larger and 
> pressing in a bushing. This helped repair a $100 Toro 724 snowblower 
> with all repairable metal parts and good balance that doesn't hurt my 
> back to maneuver. I can't usually repair broken plastic, I have to 
> redesign the part in metal. A new plastic part could fail the same way 
> when it becomes brittle in the cold.
> 
> Another way to mark a hole center is to press in a wooden plug and into 
> that a square of sheet metal with its corners turned down. If other 
> centers are known they can be used to scribe the missing center on the 
> sheet metal. Punch, center and bore it on the mill or lathe. Taps ground 
> between centers are useful for locating tapped through holes, pointed 
> setscrews for blind ones.
> 

Lots of modestly experienced and self taught manual machinists in the 
maker crowd use layout as a sanity check.

Prints?  PRINTS?!  I have a hard time getting customers to rough out a 
pencil sketch.  I have literally worked from crayon drawings on cocktail 
napkins.  That being said I used to sketch on cocktail napkins back in 
the day when you might find me in a bar from time to time.

I don't use scribe and punch layout often, but just like sometimes its 
faster to make a part seat of the pants on the manual mill or crank the 
MPG wheel on one of the CNC mills.  Sometimes its faster to create your 
print right on the part.  I started out with CNC, and I was forced 
kicking and screaming to manual machining by that reality.


-- 
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

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