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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.theory,sci.math Subject: Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:43:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <103ms8a$ar3e$2@dont-email.me> References: <103jmr5$3h0jc$1@dont-email.me> <103k0sc$2q38$1@news.muc.de> <103k1mc$3j4ha$1@dont-email.me> <4f80c7a2c5ba0fb456012c8c753adb89c33d719d@i2pn2.org> <103maod$6dce$6@dont-email.me> <34a4ee630cdb41c899f678237033bad5da5699be@i2pn2.org> <103mg4e$8bjh$1@dont-email.me> <ebec5e9bf8a28e3641eddaee07731dec048b7fe5@i2pn2.org> <103mqdh$9qtq$2@dont-email.me> <043f94bb90e350cd3ab17bc36330ad3cea653abf@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 21:43:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a5e8bf149ad22c63d77dbd8bd904cd54"; logging-data="355438"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+8IKyI/3xfgcV2lcaCil89" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:PUVK6eqtlRiD8/vqiBd11umkYNw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <043f94bb90e350cd3ab17bc36330ad3cea653abf@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250627-8, 6/27/2025), Outbound message On 6/27/2025 2:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/27/25 3:11 PM, olcott wrote:>> >> Turing Machines can and do compute mappings from finite >> string inputs. > > Right, and those finite strings can be representation of other abstract > things, like programs or numbers. > *ChatGPT, Gemini and Grok all agree* DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its simulated "return" statement final halt state. https://chatgpt.com/share/685ed9e3-260c-8011-91d0-4dee3ee08f46 https://gemini.google.com/app/f2527954a959bce4 https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_b750d0f1-9996-4394-b0e4-f76f6c77df3d -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer