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On 29/06/2025 12:13, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 29/06/2025 8:19 am, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2025-06-28 13:38:24 +0000, Daniel70 said:
>>> On 28/06/2025 12:28 pm, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <103n1eb$c3gv$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> The True Doctor  <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/06/2025 21:56, solar penguin wrote:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>>>> And it definitely doesn’t make it biological fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> And neither is a Time Lord changing gender during regeneration.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Moses was before Greece.
>>>
>>> Bullshit, Binky, Greece was around waaayyyy before Moses was even a 
>>> twinkle in his Father's eye!! (Either One!)
>>
>> Strictly speaking it depends what you mean by "Greece".
>>
>> Modern Greece was established in 1830, when it broke away from the 
>> Ottomans.
>> Ancient Greece began about 4000 years ago (ie. 2000BC)
>> Neolithic Greece began about 7000 years ago (i.e.5000BC)
> 
> Out of those options, I guess the one that falls closest to my meaning 
> would be 'Neolithic', but Greece (the dirt/soil/land) MUST have existed 
> WAAAAYYY before THAT!!
> 
>> Moses on the other hand is a myth who never existed anyway. Religious 
>> nutjobs have proclaimed various dates for his birth, like 1391BC, 
>> 1592BC, and 1571BC ... but all after Ancient Greece already existed.
> 
> WHAT?? Moses never existed!! But MY Bible tells me so!! ;-)
> 
> Just like all the dates of The Old Testament .... Set in Mud!!

Once again I think you will find out that you are totally well and truly 
wrong.

Moses is known from Egyptian inscriptions which concur with the Egyptian 
chronology of Diodorus Siculus which names Moses as a tyrannical ruler 
of Egypt, namely Ammosis, who was deposed by Merneptah, Seti II, and 
Proteus (Setnakte) according to Diodorus and Manetho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah

"Merneptah's successor, Seti II, was a son of Queen Isetnofret. However, 
Seti II's accession to the throne was not unchallenged: a rival king 
named Amenmesse, who was either another son of Merneptah by Takhat or, 
much less likely, of Ramesses II, seized control of Upper Egypt and Kush 
during the middle of the reign of Seti II. Only after he overcame 
Amenmesse, was Seti able to reassert his authority over Thebes in his 
fifth year. It is possible that before seizing Upper Egypt, Amenmesse 
had been known as Messuy and had been viceroy of Kush."

Amenmesse = Messuy = Ammosis = Moses !

The fifth year of Seti II is 1195/4 BC or 1194/3 BC depending on where 
you place the end of the reign of Ramses II (either 1212 or 1213 BC)

This date corresponds to the year of the Exodus as given in the Bible 
itself and the start of the siege of Troy by the Achaeans (Ekwesh) who 
as described by Herodotus invaded Egypt in 1203/2 BC and were along with 
the Trojans (Teresh) ousted by Merneptah (or Proteus in Herodotus' account).

According to the Bible the Exodus occurs after the the deaths of the 
Egyptian first born. Seti II who according to Manetho is Merneptah's 
only son dies in 1193 BC. And there you have the date of the Exodus once 
again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti_II

Ramses II 1279-1213/12 BC

Merneptah (Tithonus) 1213/12-1203 BC or 1213/12-1193 BC according to Manetho

Amenemsse (Moses) 1201-1198 BC or 1206-1193 BC over Lower Egypt 
according to Manetho and 1192 to 1172 BC over the Wilderness/Cannan 
according to the Bible.

Seti II (Memnon or Emathion) 1203-1197 BC or 1193-1183/2 BC according to 
Manetho and Homer if Memnon

Merneptah Siptah (Emathion or Memnon) 1197-1191 BC or 1193-1183/2 BC 
according to Manetho and Homer if Memnon

Twosret 1191-1189 or 1188-1182 BC according to Manetho

Setnakte (Ktes (the one), Proteus, On, I Am Who I Am, the God of Moses) 
1189-1186 or 1203 (or earlier)-1175 BC according to Herodotus and 
Euripides or 1181-1165 according to the Aethiopian kings list

Ramses III c.1186-1155 or 1182-1151 according to Herodotus, Apollodorus 
and Homer


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