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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Turing machine HHH is not allowed to report on the behavior of the directly executed DDD() Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 12:18:49 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <103ugtp$292c0$5@dont-email.me> References: <1037cr1$1aja4$1@dont-email.me> <1038iil$enlc$1@dont-email.me> <10394o5$j159$2@dont-email.me> <103av83$140ie$1@dont-email.me> <103bq8n$1a3c8$4@dont-email.me> <103brmh$1bfio$1@dont-email.me> <103bvt3$1cjeg$1@dont-email.me> <103do8b$1ti9d$1@dont-email.me> <103easr$22250$1@dont-email.me> <103ekj4$22qb$1@news.muc.de> <103elhi$24lrk$1@dont-email.me> <103enru$22qb$2@news.muc.de> <103eo8q$25hsi$1@dont-email.me> <995bace8fe29b576c0d9410f991981143fd20046@i2pn2.org> <103epev$25ucn$1@dont-email.me> <9103e4719abf89a6964453318d3f52878a718788@i2pn2.org> <103f62i$292tp$1@dont-email.me> <103g811$2knml$1@dont-email.me> <103h4f4$2rinm$1@dont-email.me> <103j5o4$3d3gm$1@dont-email.me> <103md0c$7mrs$1@dont-email.me> <103ok7h$r5fl$1@dont-email.me> <103oop5$rq7e$3@dont-email.me> <103qtac$1ebbt$1@dont-email.me> <103recv$1hc53$1@dont-email.me> <103tgg8$22h9n$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 19:18:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9404d00c6301e2deb5a78b7b5f8a4aea"; logging-data="2394496"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19eI/DOQAtgNAscaOkuG5NV" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:P6LQNlo27NCDL0Eoh7otFETLyt4= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250630-4, 6/30/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <103tgg8$22h9n$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 6/30/2025 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-06-29 13:17:19 +0000, olcott said: >> >> When it is required that a Turing Machine halt decider is to >> report on the behavior of another directly executing Turing >> machine this requirement is incorrect. > > No, it is not. When we know that no directly executing Turing machine D can possibly be an input to another Turing Machine H this means that H cannot possibly compute the mapping from D to the behavior of D. Not one computer scientist noticed this truism in 90 years. They always falsely assumed the the machine description of such a machine is a valid proxy for the behavior of this machine. I proved that they are wrong. The input to HHH(DDD) does in fact specify non-halting behavior and the directly executed DDD() halts. HHH cannot possibly compute the mapping from the directly executed DDD() because it cannot possibly be an input to HHH then this dirctly executed DDD() is outside of the domain of HHH. Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer