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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Bootcamp Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:39:15 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <10470qi$d897$2@dont-email.me> References: <100jfjh$2l94e$1@dont-email.me> <1020odr$2t5n5$1@dont-email.me> <mchom4F15kcU1@mid.individual.net> <1041t4b$349i3$4@dont-email.me> <mckld9Fg08sU1@mid.individual.net> <1044fhf$3p5ha$5@dont-email.me> <10465mq$62th$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 00:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2f0719ea025844aecc910a0c01dbd4e4"; logging-data="434471"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18byeh/k+jfFKuPeyM4WFHP" User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CbCcXL0kB4r1mg6YQ7Iku7YP4xs= On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 10:56:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > 5) The idea of emulating one OS on another OS is questionable > in itself. It is not that difficult to achieve 90-95% > compatibility. But 100% compatibility is very hard. Because > the core OS design tend to spill over into > userland semantics. It is always tricky to emulate *nix > on VMS and it would be be tricky to emulate VMS on *nix. It was always tricky to emulate *nix on proprietary OSes. But emulating proprietary OSes on Linux does actually work a lot better. Look at WINE, which has progressed to the point where it can be the basis of a successful shipping product (the Steam Deck) that lets users run Windows games without Windows. That works so well, it puts true Windows-based handheld competitors in the shade. That has never been done before. And it’s got to be a more difficult job than emulating VMS, with its much simpler APIs. > Getting DCL, image activation, process permanent files, > subprocesses, logicals and symbols working 100% compatible on a > Linux kernel would not be easy. A lot hang on the 4 mode design and > DCL being in S. We don’t need to emulate the internals of DCL. We just need to be able to run users’ command procedures.