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From: Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com>
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Subject: Re: [Outllook.com] Mail-service integration in diverse .* management systems
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 18:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
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For your reference, records indicate that 
Michael Uplawski <michael.uplawski@uplawski.eu> wrote:

> although mass mailings and newsletters come from their own servers.

That’s interesting. For most companies I deal with, bulk email delivery is 
the *first* type they outsource.  I think it’s a fool’s errand to expect 
any sort of  coherence when it comes to technology decision making at 
pretty much every organization these days.  I sometimes get the urge to do 
a study to determine if the incompetence of an organization can be 
determined just from the complexity of their SPF records.  :-)

> ><https://impossiblystupid.com/node/1021/?content=microsoft's-smartscreen-embrace-extend-and-extinguish-for-email>
> 
> I am having trouble accessing that URL.

That’s unfortunate.  I have fairly aggressive firewall rules due to all 
the hostile traffic that comes across the Internet (email spamming is only 
the tip of *that* iceberg).  I don’t know if you’re using a VPN or simply 
have an ISP that turns a blind eye to the abuse coming from their 
networks.

> I told everybody that they should not be surprised, if I just
> routinely erase their messages as they do not seem to come from the
> organization that they work for.

Again, that does not create allies.  Find the shared problem you can 
solve together.

> Yes. As regards the insurance, my favorite solution is to take the
> car and talk to their staff at the counter .., 40 minutes one way. 

I do similar when dealing with my bank sometimes, but it is never my 
favorite way to handle it.  I suspect it’s also counterproductive, because 
the retail staff have little incentive to make sure my online experience 
improves to the point I *won’t* have to stop in.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
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