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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 16:03:36 -0500
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On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
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>>
>>
>> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back to 
>> Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left because 
>> they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they could get 
>> arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran!
>>
>> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up 
>> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got 
>> themselves to Armenia.
>>
>>
>> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the cost 
>> of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't bullshit, by 
>> the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around this war about 
>> the toll Israelis paid.z
>>
>> Very briefly, they've calculated them as:
>>
>> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion
>> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to 
>> businesses)
>> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion
>> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion
>>
>> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high as 
>> all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that Israel 
>> stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about Israel's 
>> Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of Israel for the 
>> region.
>>
>> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know 
>> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not disclosed 
>> to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it says a lot, 
>> by the way.
>>
>> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss has 
>> been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that same 0.5% 
>> ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. Military stuff 
>> costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than they do to Iranians.
>>
>> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was suicide 
>> for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end sooner than 12 
>> days or much longer than that :)
>>
>> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is 
>> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would 
>> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there used 
>> against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an indirect 
>> way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China wisely 
>> stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This isn't 
>> imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number one reason 
>> why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it temporarily, Syria 
>> before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, i.e., the roots of the 
>> problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the region that has Iran 
>> inside it.
>>
>> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart that 
>> China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what 
>> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred and 
>> get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more sensitive 
>> to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance to them. 
>> China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your infant Trump, 
>> goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with China.
>>
>> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were shocked 
>> by his straightforward remarks :)
>>
>> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become sick 
>> of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and call it 
>> "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with facts. It is 
>> very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much honestly too!
>>
>> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about "Why 
>> are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they had 
>> asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to Israel 
>> than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics is not 
>> knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if your 
>> counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid high 
>> school smart aleks do, not politicians.
>>
>> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into 
>> their faces.
>>
>> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war between 
>> USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia region where 
>> Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is behind anything 
>> that's happening.
>>
>>
>> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran 
>> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that Iran 
>> sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that Europeans 
>> would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it out of their 
>> own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's clear that it 
>> won't because the more Europeans compensate for the absence of 
>> American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and China will 
>> expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into spending part 
>> of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus keeping Israel at 
>> the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is concerned.
>>
>> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for 
>> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China 
>> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit by 
>> Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians than 
>> Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of USA and 
>> Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of experience in that.
>>
>> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of armaments 
>> belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland to be 
>> transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I think 
>> Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to Israel, 
>> which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack Iran, which 
>> consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the war in Ukraine, 
>> raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs to protect itself.
>>
>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to be 
>> able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate for 
>> what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan of Trump 
>> had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and not after.
>>
>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. I.e. 
>> EU collectively might match Russia in resources.
>>
>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China 
>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I guess 
>> they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to escalate. 
>> Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of Ukraine's 
>> armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get shipped to Europe 
>> to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that shipment is now stopped 
>> and I'm not aware yet if they've said exactly for what reason.
>>
>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not just 
>> a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as well. In 
>> fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But results are the 
>> same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at USA! And Iran can do 
>> that. She's even decided it in the parliament and it has been OKed by 
>> Guardian Council. It only needs a signature, and less than 15 minutes 
>> of time to get done!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is out, 
> one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military property 
> destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases and camps 
> were attacked by Iran:
> 
> - Tel Nof airbase
> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq
> - Camp Glilot
> - Irtah
> - Camp Zipporit
> 
> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another deals 
> with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but quickly 
> claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they don't say how 
> much it has cost them. They (both military and the cabinet) haven't 
> denied Iran's calculation of it either :)
> 
> Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be reasonable as 
> the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military assistance to Israel 
> will add up to the right amount. These figures aren't that hard to find.
> 
> 
> Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences. Iranians are 
> claiming that a huge amount of additional information has so far been 
> obtained about Mossad from thousands of individuals who've so far been 
> arrested.
> 
> Only one of results among many has been (according to an Arab website) 
> identification and arrest of close to 700 spies inside Iran! These 
> agents are no "5th column" forces, but outright active agents working 
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