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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:41:53 -0500
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On 7/5/25 4:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back to 
>>> Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left because 
>>> they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they could get 
>>> arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran!
>>>
>>> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up 
>>> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got 
>>> themselves to Armenia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the cost 
>>> of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't bullshit, by 
>>> the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around this war about 
>>> the toll Israelis paid.z
>>>
>>> Very briefly, they've calculated them as:
>>>
>>> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion
>>> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to 
>>> businesses)
>>> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion
>>> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion
>>>
>>> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high as 
>>> all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that Israel 
>>> stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about Israel's 
>>> Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of Israel for 
>>> the region.
>>>
>>> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know 
>>> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not disclosed 
>>> to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it says a lot, 
>>> by the way.
>>>
>>> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss has 
>>> been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that same 
>>> 0.5% ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. Military 
>>> stuff costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than they do to 
>>> Iranians.
>>>
>>> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was suicide 
>>> for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end sooner than 12 
>>> days or much longer than that :)
>>>
>>> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is 
>>> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would 
>>> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there used 
>>> against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an indirect 
>>> way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China wisely 
>>> stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This isn't 
>>> imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number one reason 
>>> why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it temporarily, Syria 
>>> before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, i.e., the roots of the 
>>> problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the region that has Iran 
>>> inside it.
>>>
>>> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart that 
>>> China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what 
>>> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred and 
>>> get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more sensitive 
>>> to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance to them. 
>>> China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your infant Trump, 
>>> goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with China.
>>>
>>> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were 
>>> shocked by his straightforward remarks :)
>>>
>>> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become 
>>> sick of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and 
>>> call it "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with 
>>> facts. It is very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much 
>>> honestly too!
>>>
>>> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about "Why 
>>> are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they had 
>>> asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to Israel 
>>> than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics is not 
>>> knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if your 
>>> counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid high 
>>> school smart aleks do, not politicians.
>>>
>>> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into 
>>> their faces.
>>>
>>> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war between 
>>> USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia region where 
>>> Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is behind anything 
>>> that's happening.
>>>
>>>
>>> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran 
>>> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that 
>>> Iran sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that 
>>> Europeans would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it 
>>> out of their own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's 
>>> clear that it won't because the more Europeans compensate for the 
>>> absence of American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and 
>>> China will expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into 
>>> spending part of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus 
>>> keeping Israel at the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is 
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for 
>>> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China 
>>> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit 
>>> by Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians 
>>> than Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of USA 
>>> and Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of experience in 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of armaments 
>>> belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland to be 
>>> transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I think 
>>> Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to Israel, 
>>> which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack Iran, which 
>>> consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the war in Ukraine, 
>>> raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs to protect itself.
>>>
>>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to be 
>>> able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate for 
>>> what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan of 
>>> Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and not 
>>> after.
>>>
>>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. I.e. 
>>> EU collectively might match Russia in resources.
>>>
>>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China 
>>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I guess 
>>> they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to escalate. 
>>> Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of Ukraine's 
>>> armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get shipped to 
>>> Europe to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that shipment is now 
>>> stopped and I'm not aware yet if they've said exactly for what reason.
>>>
>>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not just 
>>> a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as well. 
>>> In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But results are 
>>> the same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at USA! And Iran 
>>> can do that. She's even decided it in the parliament and it has been 
>>> OKed by Guardian Council. It only needs a signature, and less than 15 
>>> minutes of time to get done!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is 
>> out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military 
>> property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases 
>> and camps were attacked by Iran:
>>
>> - Tel Nof airbase
>> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq
>> - Camp Glilot
>> - Irtah
>> - Camp Zipporit
>>
>> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another deals 
>> with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but quickly 
>> claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they don't say 
>> how much it has cost them. They (both military and the cabinet) 
>> haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :)
>>
>> Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be reasonable as 
>> the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military assistance to Israel 
>> will add up to the right amount. These figures aren't that hard to find.
>>
>>
>> Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences. Iranians are 
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