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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 23:32:47 -0500
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On 7/5/25 10:25 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 7/5/25 8:41 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 7/5/25 4:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back 
>>>>> to Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left 
>>>>> because they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they 
>>>>> could get arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran!
>>>>>
>>>>> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up 
>>>>> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got 
>>>>> themselves to Armenia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the 
>>>>> cost of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't 
>>>>> bullshit, by the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around 
>>>>> this war about the toll Israelis paid.z
>>>>>
>>>>> Very briefly, they've calculated them as:
>>>>>
>>>>> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion
>>>>> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to 
>>>>> businesses)
>>>>> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion
>>>>> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion
>>>>>
>>>>> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high 
>>>>> as all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that 
>>>>> Israel stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about 
>>>>> Israel's Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of 
>>>>> Israel for the region.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know 
>>>>> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not 
>>>>> disclosed to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it 
>>>>> says a lot, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss 
>>>>> has been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that 
>>>>> same 0.5% ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. 
>>>>> Military stuff costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than 
>>>>> they do to Iranians.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was 
>>>>> suicide for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end 
>>>>> sooner than 12 days or much longer than that :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is 
>>>>> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would 
>>>>> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there 
>>>>> used against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an 
>>>>> indirect way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China 
>>>>> wisely stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This 
>>>>> isn't imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number 
>>>>> one reason why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it 
>>>>> temporarily, Syria before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, 
>>>>> i.e., the roots of the problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the 
>>>>> region that has Iran inside it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart 
>>>>> that China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what 
>>>>> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred 
>>>>> and get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more 
>>>>> sensitive to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance 
>>>>> to them. China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your 
>>>>> infant Trump, goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with 
>>>>> China.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were 
>>>>> shocked by his straightforward remarks :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become 
>>>>> sick of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and 
>>>>> call it "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with 
>>>>> facts. It is very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much 
>>>>> honestly too!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about 
>>>>> "Why are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they 
>>>>> had asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to 
>>>>> Israel than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics 
>>>>> is not knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if 
>>>>> your counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid 
>>>>> high school smart aleks do, not politicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into 
>>>>> their faces.
>>>>>
>>>>> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war 
>>>>> between USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia 
>>>>> region where Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is 
>>>>> behind anything that's happening.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran 
>>>>> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that 
>>>>> Iran sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that 
>>>>> Europeans would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it 
>>>>> out of their own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's 
>>>>> clear that it won't because the more Europeans compensate for the 
>>>>> absence of American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and 
>>>>> China will expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into 
>>>>> spending part of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus 
>>>>> keeping Israel at the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is 
>>>>> concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for 
>>>>> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China 
>>>>> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit 
>>>>> by Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians 
>>>>> than Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of 
>>>>> USA and Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of 
>>>>> experience in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of 
>>>>> armaments belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland 
>>>>> to be transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I 
>>>>> think Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to 
>>>>> Israel, which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack 
>>>>> Iran, which consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the 
>>>>> war in Ukraine, raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs 
>>>>> to protect itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to 
>>>>> be able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate 
>>>>> for what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan 
>>>>> of Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and 
>>>>> not after.
>>>>>
>>>>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. 
>>>>> I.e. EU collectively might match Russia in resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China 
>>>>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I 
>>>>> guess they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to 
>>>>> escalate. Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of 
>>>>> Ukraine's armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get 
>>>>> shipped to Europe to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that 
>>>>> shipment is now stopped and I'm not aware yet if they've said 
>>>>> exactly for what reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not 
>>>>> just a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as 
>>>>> well. In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But 
>>>>> results are the same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at 
>>>>> USA! And Iran can do that. She's even decided it in the parliament 
>>>>> and it has been OKed by Guardian Council. It only needs a 
>>>>> signature, and less than 15 minutes of time to get done!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is 
>>>> out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military 
>>>> property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases 
>>>> and camps were attacked by Iran:
>>>>
>>>> - Tel Nof airbase
>>>> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq
>>>> - Camp Glilot
>>>> - Irtah
>>>> - Camp Zipporit
>>>>
>>>> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another 
>>>> deals with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but 
>>>> quickly claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they 
>>>> don't say how much it has cost them. They (both military and the 
>>>> cabinet) haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :)
>>>>
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