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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:23:40 -0500
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On 7/7/2025 2:36 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 07.jul.2025 om 05:12 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/6/2025 9:09 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/6/25 4:06 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/2025 12:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/6/25 11:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *EVERY BOT FIGURES THIS OUT ON ITS OWN*
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it just isn't smart enough to detect that you lied in your 
>>>>> premise.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no way that DDD simulated by HHH (according
>>>>>> to the semantics of the C programming language)
>>>>>> can possibly reach its own "return" statement final
>>>>>> halt state.
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is no way for HHH to correctly simulate its input and 
>>>>> return an answer
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You insistence that a non-terminating input be simulated
>>>> until non-existent completion is especially nuts because
>>>> you have been told about this dozens of times.
>>>>
>>>> What the F is wrong with you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It seems you don't understand those words.
>>>
>>> I don't say that the decider needs to simulate the input to 
>>> completion, but that it needs to be able to actually PROVE that if 
>>> this exact input WAS given to a correct simultor (which won't be 
>>> itself, since it isn't doing the complete simulation) will run for an 
>>> unbounded number of steps.
>>>
>>
>> No decider is ever allowed to report on anything
>> besides the actual behavior that its input actually
>> specifies.
>>
> And HHH does not do that. The input specifies a halting program, because 
> it includes the abort code. 


void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}

_DDD()
[00002192] 55             push ebp
[00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192  // push DDD
[0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
[0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
[000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
[000021a3] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]

That does have an effect on DDD emulated by HHH according
to the semantics of the x86 language stopping running.
It has no effect on this DDD every reaching its final halt
state. I have corrected your error on this too many times
you don't seem to want an honest dialogue.

> But HHH gives up before it reaches that part 
> of the specification and the final halt state.




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