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From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
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Subject: Re: digital id
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 06:25:43 -0000 (UTC)
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On 8 Jul 2025 23:07:47 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


> On 2025-07-08, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 07/08/2025 12:14, Chris in Makati wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:01:17 -0400, badgolferman
>>> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Some states allow digital drivers licenses in Apple Wallet and even
>>>> TSA is accepting digital passports now too.  Has anyone here done
>>>> this?  What advantage have you found?  What could possibly go wrong
>>>> with this scenario?  It seems like a privacy nightmare in the
>>>> making.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why it would be a privacy nightmare. I would think an ID
>>> is more secure on a phone that it is in a paper format such as we
>>> have now with driver's licenses and passports. It's the same with
>>> credit cards. Apple Pay is more secure than a plastic card.
>>> 
>>> For me, the more things that can be made digital and put on a phone
>>> the better so that I don't need to carry so much around in a physical
>>> wallet.
>>
>> There are lots more bad actors capable of stealing your digital and
>> online files than there are those who can steal your physical wallet.
>> If that stuff is accessible digitally online then it's already at a
>> higher risk, regardless of encryption level.  How often do you read or
>> see on the news that the most protected data has been breached by
>> privacy thieves from thousands of miles away?  How often do people get
>> their identities stolen from a random database?  At least my wallet is
>> in my direct possession and no one will get their hands on it unless
>> they have direct physical access to it, and that would only happen if
>> I'm mugged or careless.
> 
> Apple Wallet data stored in iCloud is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple
> cannot access it. You're also in full control of whether Wallet data is
> synchronized to iCloud at all. Where's this "privacy nightmare"?

Knowing history, I wouldn't doubt state actors have long ago cracked
Apple's encryption given almost nothing Apple makes hasn't been cracked.

What makes anyone think Apple can keep anything secure when even their
highly-advertised "secure enclave" was cracked wide open by the Pangu Team.

Keep in mind, Unit 8200 cracked almost everything the Iranians had that was
encrypted and OP-20-G was reading Japanese military dispatches as fast as
the Japanese were receiving them, and Bletchley Park was reading German
transmissions as fast as the Germans were, where even in the low-tech days
of WWI, Room 40 decoded the Zimmermann Telegram which got us into the war.

Anyone who thinks Apple's encryption is safe, doesn't know history.
I agree with badgolferman. The safest place for a CC is in your wallet.