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Subject: Re: Nationwide injunctions
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:29:38 -0400
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On 7/10/2025 4:17 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 2025 at 12:40:04 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/10/2025 2:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>   On Jun 28, 2025 at 1:53:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>>   Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
>>>>>   his executive order ending birthright citizenship.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I
>>>>>   don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
>>>>>   Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
>>>>>   file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
>>>>>   equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
>>>>>   case after case after case.
>>>>>
>>>>>   However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the
>>>>>   government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington
>>>>>   remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive
>>>>>   authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases.
>>>>>   Congress would have to fix that.
>>>>>
>>>>>   By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents
>>>>>   too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do
>>>>>   something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly
>>>>>   there is court jurisdiction for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking
>>>>>   heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial
>>>>>   courts, Trump will win on the merits.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/
>>>>   
>>>>   So it appears that after a New Hampshire district court judge had his
>>>>   nationwide injunction against Trump's birthright citizenship EO overturned
>>>> by
>>>>   SCOTUS, he has now certified a class action against it so that he can reach
>>>>   more than just the plaintiff with his ruling. My question is that, since
>>>>   Trump's EO is not retroactive and only applies to future children born here,
>>>>   how can there be anyone with standing to certify a class?
>>>>   
>>>>   Do "unborn future people" have rights under the Constitution? If so, then
>>>> the
>>>>   abortion debate seems to be conclusively over.
>>>
>>> You've answered your own question: they gain standing as they're born
>>> ...adding to those born between Trump's order and the judge's ruling.
>>
>> It doesn't work that way. A plaintiff has to have standing the moment the
>> lawsuit is filed.
> 
> As I've noted before, with human life beginning at conception, then the
> parents would have to prove they had sex in the United States, which
> would put an end to birth tourism.

Foreigners can Fedex their frozen egg and sperm for U.S. fertilization.