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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior
 of their caller --- Mike
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:27:04 -0500
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On 7/10/2025 7:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/10/25 9:24 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/10/2025 6:35 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/9/25 10:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/9/2025 8:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/9/25 9:55 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/9/2025 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/8/25 3:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2025 2:01 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is one of PO's practiced tactics - he makes a claim, and 
>>>>>>>>> regardless of how patently false that claim appears, he refuses 
>>>>>>>>> to logically defend the claim beyond saying "the claim is true, 
>>>>>>>>> and if you understood xxx you would realise it is true".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All of my claims are easily verified facts to those
>>>>>>>> with the capacity to verify them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>> [00002192] 55             push ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>> [00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192  // push DDD
>>>>>>>> [0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
>>>>>>>> [0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [000021a3] c3             ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not a program, must include the code for HHH to be simulatable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must have dementia.
>>>>>> I have told you that HHH does emulate DDD
>>>>>> then it emulates itself emulating DDD 500 times now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And thus you admit that you are lying.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Here is the proof*
>>>> https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> SO, you admit that HHH fails to emulate JUST the input, 
>>
>> *I have told you that HHH does emulate DDD*
>> *then it emulates itself emulating DDD 500 times now*
> 
> And the question is HOW can it?
> 
> You claim it isn't part of the input, and thus it isn't AVAILABLE for 
> HHH to emualate.
> 
> You don't seem to understand that HHH isn't ALLOWED to look at memory 
> that isn't part of its input, without MAKING that memory part of its input.
> 
>>
>> *NOW I PROVED THAT*
>> *See if you can remember this by your next reply*
>>
> 
> No, you are just proving that you don't understand how programs and 
> input are defined, and thus make yourself into a liar.
> 

*I just proved the fact that*
(1) HHH(DDD) is executed
(2) HHH emulates DDD
(3) emulated DDD calls an emulated HHH(DDD)
(4) emulated HHH emulates another instance of DDD
(5) this DDD calls HHH(DDD) again
https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf

Its OK if you are no good with the x86 language
and can't understand the code. I began programming
way back when x86 programming was popular.

Alternatively the details of how multi-tasking
works are too difficult for you. They are probably
too difficult for most programmers.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer