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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 23:29:38 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <104q3vi$1atq6$1@dont-email.me> References: <1049cr4$10io1$1@dont-email.me> <104apto$1d6ik$1@dont-email.me> <104bfom$1hqln$3@dont-email.me> <104dc7p$22du8$1@dont-email.me> <104e2cd$2852a$2@dont-email.me> <104fvvp$2qvbi$1@dont-email.me> <104gjo8$2uc68$3@dont-email.me> <104ii2r$3egqg$1@dont-email.me> <104j9bp$3jrpl$3@dont-email.me> <104l99t$52fb$1@dont-email.me> <104lnfv$7l4q$3@dont-email.me> <104nvim$pg20$1@dont-email.me> <104ohhs$t0u4$2@dont-email.me> <552bda60815dad8175c54eab402e0acc53101155@i2pn2.org> <104q24q$1ajbp$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 06:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="77a1f53edba794dcd0b3794096040439"; logging-data="1406790"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19EBmXLLwdy9n7vUGbonZrp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:UaxZu5hkjJSzshM6LStKYrBCrro= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250710-10, 7/10/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <104q24q$1ajbp$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 7/10/2025 10:58 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: > On 2025-07-10 19:58, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 7/10/25 10:09 AM, olcott wrote: > >>> According to the POE: >>> (a) The Moon is made of green cheese and >>> (b) the Moon does not exist >>> proves that >>> (c) Donald Trump is the Christ. >> >> Rigth, but only because a side affect of (a) is that the moon must exist. > > Really, the problem here is that Olcott fails to distinguish between the > truth of a conditional statement and the truth of the consequent of a > conditional statement. They are not the same thing. > > ((X & ~X) implies Y) is necessarily true. > That is not the exact meaning of these words the principle of explosion is the law according to which any statement can be proven from a contradiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion ∀x (⊥ ⊢ x). When we look at that in terms of the syllogism it is horribly incorrect. That logic does not require semantic relevance is its key mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_logic Fixes some aspects of the problem. > Whether Y is true is a completely independent question. > > But Olcott seems to think that the truth of ((X & ~X) -> Y) somehow > proves that Y is true. That's simply not how logic works. > You are addressing this different issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxes_of_material_implication > I raise this point purely as a clarification. I'm well aware that this > will have no impact on Olcott's (mis)understanding of logic. > > André > -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer