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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Sciences of the Artificial applied to Biology Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 01:37:32 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <104rb49$1iooa$1@dont-email.me> References: <7out6k96b8cgjr3t5bdnr8g432shen7vqe@4ax.com> <901u6k99debtpilfo7tf9u6m7aka4o7ohq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c18af49c8dcf089c0cc5f50b91fd5b15"; logging-data="1663754"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+FkqJrLU5E/1E7iYayiEVAaMrBT9cSfzo=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vQL6iGnButjrqFOXJIaQHHbYsjs= In-Reply-To: <901u6k99debtpilfo7tf9u6m7aka4o7ohq@4ax.com> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250711-6, 11/7/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US On 11/07/2025 4:04 am, john larkin wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jul 2025 19:38:41 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> I forgot to mention that he Sciences of the Artificial digs deep into >> why living things (even microscopic ones) have distinct organs and >> often components within such organs, versus the organism being a mass >> of tissue that somehow does everything. The driver is efficiency and >> simplicity. >> >> This assumes that life has already emerged in some unspecified way, >> and goes from there. This is a different approach than Dawkin's >> Blind-Watchmaker arguments. >> >> Joe >> >> >> Ref: "Simon_Herbert_A_The_Sciences_of_the_Artificial_3rd_ed" - The >> Architecture of Complexity. New copies are available from MIT Press. > > Even single-cell critters have levels of intelligence. Some people > suggest some level of consciousness. > > The book sounds cool. > > Dawkin says he is an atheist above anything else. So he naturally > hides from anything that's not primitive neo-Darwinism. Actually, he is a biologist above everything else. Creationists - proponents of "intelligent design" - pretend to have all sort of ides about how living beings are more complicated than Darwinian evolution requires, but it is all nonsense. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney