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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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On 7/11/25 22:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2025-07-11 13:41, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> On 7/11/25 02:35, Don Y wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2025 5:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-07-11 01:20, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> On 7/10/2025 3:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-07-10 23:39, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/10/2025 12:00 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-07-10 15:55, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Again, which plants?  Was there policy in place that caused 
>>>>>>>>> this (if so,
>>>>>>>>> why hadn't ALL plants?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "...because ‘some operators’ were not complying with the 
>>>>>>>>> regulations"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The report, due to a ‘confidentiality obligation’ has 
>>>>>>>>> “anonymised”
>>>>>>>>> information, ‘on most occasions’ at the request of the actors 
>>>>>>>>> involved..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you see the pattern, here?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I.e., "Someone was killed.  We've spoken to the killer -- who 
>>>>>>>>> shall remain
>>>>>>>>> anonymous and promise not to do it again..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because if not, they would not have talked and the cause would 
>>>>>>>> not be known and corrective action not taken fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Something horrific happened.  We've spoken to the parties 
>>>>>>> responsible.
>>>>>>> We *think* they won't do it again but don't want anyone to know who
>>>>>>> was actually responsible (as THEY aren't part of the problem??)"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finding a culprit to sue will take decades (it is another 
>>>>>> investigation), and we want solutions now.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let's just keep the "bad actor" in the same position of 
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>> WHILE we are deciding who to sue?
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to have electricity than a culprit.
>>>
>>> But you have no assurance that you will *still* have electricity!
>>> If the same "actors" are in place, what guarantee that they won't
>>> similarly screw up next week/month/year?  What incentive do THEY
>>> have to "perform correctly" -- if the NEXT lawsuit will be years
>>> after the *first* lawsuit?
>>>
>>> If you hide their identities *now*, that doesn't prevent all the
>>> same "anonymized data" from being subpoenaed and introduced as
>>> evidence in their later *trial*.  They're still on-the-hook
>>> for their responsibility.
>>>
>>> (Ah, but stockholders can continue to profit UNTIL the trial...)
>>>
>>
>> Typical American: Sue! Sue! Sue!
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> Y'all come visit, and see.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Phil Hobbs
> 

Not right now, sorry. Too afraid to end up in a Salvadorian prison.
Maybe when civilization returns.

Jeroen Belleman