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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Apple's "dumb terminal" design wreaks havoc when the matrix went
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:38:04 -0400
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On 7/13/2025 9:50 PM, Marion wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 13:33:02 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
> 
> 
>>> Why do you think any operating system other than iOS needs to be logged
>>> into the mothership just to work? Only iOS requires that loss of privacy.
>>
>> I could give a shit about needing an Apple account.
> 
> Would on of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls please explain to Tom Elam
> that "I could give a shit" doesn't mean what he "thinks" it means, please.
> 
> The fact none of you could get accepted to a college is clearly evident.
> 
>> When I had Android
>> phones AND tablets I had a Google account. In fact, I have had Google
>> and do have Microsoft and Apple accounts on all my devices.
> 
> The fact that this Tom Elam has no education past high school is evident in
> that comment above, in that the difference is the account isn't REQUIRED
> for those devices to download and install apps. That's the difference.
> 
> The difference isn't in the account; it's in the requirement for it.
> 
>> Nothing bad as happened, and in the Google and Microsoft cases that has
>> been a very long time. I also have Google Drive, Google Photos, YouTube
>> Premium, Google Maps, News and use Google Sheets on a regular basis.
>> Those are on all my Windows computers and Apple devices. My laptops are
>> subscribed to Office 365. On my iPhone and iPad ForeFlight is subscribed
>> to the company's services. Required for every 28 day chart updates.
>>
>> So go twist yourself all up trying to avoid using OS sign-in accounts.
>> Why bother - except for severe paranoia?
>>
>> Frankly, I don't think you know a thing about using your devices to
>> their full potential.
> 
> Heh heh heh... of course you think I don't know how to use a device.
> And yet, you clearly know absolutely nothing about Apple or Android, Tom.
> 
> The only operating system that requires an account (which itself, now
> requires 2FA, which essentially requires you bring a phone with you
> everywhere you go or a second device - which is just absurd)... is Apple.
> 
> No other OS OEM requires that. Just Apple.

FYI I have a PhD in economics and statistics. I have followed the tech 
sector since I bought a TRS 80 Model 2 in 1980 and used in to start a 
small business. I was the first person in the company to bring a 
microcomputer to the office. I demoed Visicalc and a word processor. At 
that time we all had IBM 5250 series dumb terminals on our desks.

 From the 5250 we went to IBM desktops running DOS and Lotus software. 
We did not get internet/network connections (Token Ring) until about 
1993/94 when 3.11 Windows for Workgroups came out. We also had a PDP 10 
network up and running before that.

So yes, I have a long history using everything from DOS command line to 
the latest Windows and Apple operating systems. Also Android up to about 
5 years ago when I upgraded to Apple iOS.