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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 09:11:07 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <105b09r$1d6in$1@dont-email.me> References: <102sjg5$2k3e9$1@dont-email.me> <104e93k$29rpg$1@dont-email.me> <104ed4k$223c$1@news.muc.de> <104ehua$2c91h$1@dont-email.me> <104epfu$nqi$1@news.muc.de> <104fdma$2n8gq$1@dont-email.me> <104gkad$2f8e$1@news.muc.de> <10515pj$2v547$1@dont-email.me> <c1fa8b9a19b4a102d7f5c2d58cf4b9b127c30955@i2pn2.org> <1051r18$36s16$3@dont-email.me> <a6849743e4a6af25dc93b3b269e1d39002488efe@i2pn2.org> <105394s$3ev5b$15@dont-email.me> <f5a2ebe0935b2c891a06650e89c28fbcc0560f61@i2pn2.org> <1054he7$3s0eq$6@dont-email.me> <e510d4751825282a6858172b5e8516d1c1ec789a@i2pn2.org> <5erdQ.67036$r61e.50840@fx11.ams4> <b7541a89c5db2d0db513455cd7b83349544406ee@i2pn2.org> <1058fss$pn5l$3@dont-email.me> <49480dece30605ff692baac78083722e2a25b7cf@i2pn2.org> <1058hht$q07u$2@dont-email.me> <d659a8f6eca80516714ba11fd9512100c290c5fe@i2pn2.org> <1058onb$raqa$1@dont-email.me> <105ac8p$25t70$2@dont-email.me> <105aut4$1bk0p$4@dont-email.me> <2e91b2bf0d3f3c56a9684d17f20543614ecff9ad@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="757a756c4546e5542c44a33ac5ff5463"; logging-data="1481303"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX188EMS9kcOinrbqVJWw182Z" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:a4aDCKZEDjrYvkOtP0B/xDSCpos= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250717-2, 7/17/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <2e91b2bf0d3f3c56a9684d17f20543614ecff9ad@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 7/17/2025 8:57 AM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 17 Jul 2025 08:47:16 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/17/2025 3:29 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 16.jul.2025 om 19:49 schreef olcott: > >>> This is already evidence that simulation is not the right tool to >>> analyse the input. >> In other words you disagree that a simulation by a UTM is a correct >> measure of behavior. (A simulation by a UTM is defined to be a correct >> measure of behavior). > HHH is not a UTM. > _DDD() [00002192] 55 push ebp [00002193] 8bec mov ebp,esp [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192 // push DDD [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2 // call HHH [0000219f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [000021a2] 5d pop ebp [000021a3] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3] Each element of the infinite set of functions at machine address 000015d2 that emulates 0 to ∞ instructions of the above machine code never reaches its emulated "ret" instruction final halt state BECAUSE DDD CALLS EACH EMULATOR IN RECURSIVE EMULATION. *ChatGPT agrees and provides the reasoning why it agrees* https://chatgpt.com/share/6877f09c-7b18-8011-b075-ea3671e57886 -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer