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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:19:48 -0500
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On 7/21/2025 10:53 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
> 
>> On 7/17/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:04:43 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
>>> <beej@beej.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <1vki7k10egcrhostdbs6sp6ml5pdri0r93@4ax.com>,
>>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> Gas and oil subsidies are for fuel sources. EV subsidies are to
>>>>> manipulate consumer purchases.
>>>>
>>>> I agree insofar as I agree that consumers don't purchase gas and oil.
>>> Gas and oil are important for many more things that automobiles.
>>> Batteries for trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes are only dreams.
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>> And ethylene for a gazillion polymer products and packages.
>> And asphalt, bunker fuel and solvents. And myriad other crude cracking
>> fractions.  Oh, plus helium (there's a shortage) from natural gas
>> production.
> 
> Natural gas for ammonia production, meaning nitrate fertilizers and
> feedstock for all sorts of amines.  Fossil fuel is used for almost all
> cement production, used to build almost everything.  Coke from coal for
> steel production.  It's possible to imagine replacing all of these with
> something else, actually doing so will be very difficult.
> 
> The supply of fossil fuels is certainly finite, and eventually all of
> those replacements will have to be done or industrial civilization
> abandoned.  Guessing when that will happen is a mug's game.
> 

All the world's oil ran out in 2011. We have definitive 
proof of that on video:

https://religiopoliticaltalk.com/35-years-worth-of-oil-left-jimmy-carter-1976/


-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971