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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:21:13 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <105oa99$hate$3@dont-email.me> References: <105bdps$1g61u$1@dont-email.me> <105c0lk$1k7ip$1@dont-email.me> <105c22v$1k9r9$3@dont-email.me> <105c5rt$1l4j7$1@dont-email.me> <105cddu$1r7mi$1@dont-email.me> <105e259$26kvp$1@dont-email.me> <105e8nt$288fm$1@dont-email.me> <105ejtf$2asnh$1@dont-email.me> <105elol$2aph6$1@dont-email.me> <105fina$2eaf2$1@dont-email.me> <105ger8$2pk90$6@dont-email.me> <105i6u0$2ki8q$2@dont-email.me> <105j124$3cagp$9@dont-email.me> <105kttl$2pjsb$1@dont-email.me> <105li9c$3v8t8$11@dont-email.me> <105o6ln$39dud$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 17:21:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a14401adad5651a253e4d054a1d0c031"; logging-data="568238"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kPzTlLKZwRKXt84ebqC+L" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SbMenlbVrXvQfgSOyuWTAIW7IJ4= In-Reply-To: <105o6ln$39dud$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250722-2, 7/22/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 7/22/2025 9:19 AM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 21 Jul 2025 09:19:23 -0500 schrieb olcott: > >> The correct measure of the behavior of the input to HHH(DDD) >> is DDD simulated by HHH according to the semantics of the C programming >> language. > The measure of HHH(DDD) is HHH(DDD)? > void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } executed HHH emulates DDD that calls emulated HHH(DDD) that emulates DDD that calls emulated emulated HHH(DDD) machine stack stack machine assembly address address data code language ======== ======== ======== ============== ============= [000021be][00103872][00000000] 55 push ebp [000021bf][00103872][00000000] 8bec mov ebp,esp [000021c1][0010386e][0000219e] 689e210000 push 0000219e // push DDD [000021c6][0010386a][000021cb] e823f4ffff call 000015ee // call HHH New slave_stack at:103916 Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:11391e [0000219e][0011390e][00113912] 55 push ebp [0000219f][0011390e][00113912] 8bec mov ebp,esp [000021a1][0011390a][0000219e] 689e210000 push 0000219e // push DDD [000021a6][00113906][000021ab] e843f4ffff call 000015ee // call HHH New slave_stack at:14e33e [0000219e][0015e336][0015e33a] 55 push ebp [0000219f][0015e336][0015e33a] 8bec mov ebp,esp [000021a1][0015e332][0000219e] 689e210000 push 0000219e // push DDD [000021a6][0015e32e][000021ab] e843f4ffff call 000015ee // call HHH -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer