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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof -- FL Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 10:52:52 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 60 Message-ID: <1064lsk$2rkiu$1@dont-email.me> References: <105ht1n$36s20$1@dont-email.me> <eed26ffea811a639a76d0184321c57eafba746cd@i2pn2.org> <pI4fQ.147044$gKRf.71824@fx12.ams4> <105obtn$hate$7@dont-email.me> <pXXfQ.4$mj1e.3@fx45.iad> <105pn1c$r41b$4@dont-email.me> <105q67b$8o3u$2@dont-email.me> <105qngv$v75u$6@dont-email.me> <upCgQ.4507$v9ff.905@fx42.iad> <w2MgQ.13226$eHx.5786@fx11.ams4> <106055n$138e1$3@dont-email.me> <r6PgQ.31052$4DJ8.2768@fx04.iad> <1060f0m$155c3$1@dont-email.me> <9JPgQ.150643$Tc12.40039@fx17.iad> <1060n64$168i0$1@dont-email.me> <4rRgQ.31617$PvV.21729@fx45.iad> <1060ppa$168i0$4@dont-email.me> <jESgQ.2351$AW.1322@fx02.iad> <1060u8t$172k3$2@dont-email.me> <uOTgQ.10822$2Md4.1120@fx48.iad> <10614pa$17qo4$1@dont-email.me> <M5WgQ.148313$lwk1.93928@fx15.iad> <1061b1c$189om$1@dont-email.me> <mM2hQ.171497$Tc12.82306@fx17.iad> <1062n58$1ecv8$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 09:52:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d7b4b3f0b7e120619cbdcba5ff2a6850"; logging-data="3002974"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19IQ0RkKikuNz8mGgYpXViW" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:49T0Xb3g5Ki8rgP5Pjezgcf22Lk= On 2025-07-26 14:02:15 +0000, olcott said: > On 7/26/2025 6:14 AM, Richard the Demon wrote: >> On 7/25/25 9:29 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/25/2025 8:22 PM, Richard the Demon wrote: >>>> On 7/25/25 7:42 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>>> _DDD() >>>>> [00002192] 55 push ebp >>>>> [00002193] 8bec mov ebp,esp >>>>> [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192 // push DDD >>>>> [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2 // call HHH >>>>> [0000219f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>>> [000021a2] 5d pop ebp >>>>> [000021a3] c3 ret >>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3] >>>>> >>>>> Until you provide the execution trace of DDD emulated >>>>> by HHH (according to the rules of the x86 language) >>>>> such that this emulated DDD reaches its own emulated >>>>> "ret" instruction final halt state >>>>> *you will be considered a fucking liar* >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is just a lIE. >>>> >>>> Until you realize that HHH just doesn't do a correct simulation, >>> *You dishonestly changed the words that I said, as you always do* >>> *Here are the words that I actually said* >>> (according to the rules of the x86 language) >>> >> >> Because your HHH ignores the last step of the last instruction it >> processes, that of execute the next instruction. >> > > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> > If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its* > *input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D* > *would never stop running unless aborted* then > > _DDD() > [00002192] 55 push ebp > [00002193] 8bec mov ebp,esp > [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192 // push DDD > [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2 // call HHH > [0000219f] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [000021a2] 5d pop ebp > [000021a3] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3] > > As soon as HHH emulates DDD then emulates itself > emulating DDD and this DDD calls HHH(DDD) to do it > again, HHH has matched a non-terminating behavior pattern. That is false. The behavour of DDD is that it terminates. Therefore no pattern it matches is a non-terminating pattern. -- Mikko