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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:36:24 +0000
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:48:44 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:32:52 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:27:28 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:54:22 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 7:40:51 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:16 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=253903&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#253903
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:22:04 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime"
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MMP: My literary journal was created to highlight the best examples of
>>>>>>>> poetry from AAPC's various members.  The best poetry by Member G does
>>>>>>>> not necessarily measure up to the best poetry of Member J.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As Mr. Dance has so ably demonstrated above, his own poem left no traces
>>>>>>>> on my memory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MMP's memory lapses are something I'm sure we're all familiar with by
>>>>>>> now. But let us remember what else I just ably demonstrated: that back
>>>>>>> in 2021 (when he was still hoping to recruit me as an ally) he
>>>>>>> considered Possibilities one of "the best examples of poetry" on AAPC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This deserves an underscore as an example of Michael Pendragon's biased
>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. I'm not sure if you remeber that statement of his that I called
>>>>> a statement of his editorial philosophy:
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> "You divide everyone into two categories: potential allies and potential
>>>>> adversaries. You slurp the writings of your potential allies and attack
>>>>> those of your potential adversaries."
>>>>>
>>>>> "When [someone] Jim is seen as a potential ally, you request his poetry.
>>>>> When he
>>>>> is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him and claim he
>>>>> can't write." </q>
>>>>>
>>>>> source text:
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/hDYKsC5l5Ew/m/IR5NzWPJBQAJ?hl=en
>>>>>
>>>>> That also fully describes his critical philosophy. No more need be said,
>>>>> but it can't be said often enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Michael Pendragon is basically a two faced liar.
>>>
>>> Well, not exactly, It means he comes across as no different from a
>>> two-faced liar, but I think his mental state is more complex than that I
>>> should open a new threat where we can talk about that.
>>
>> Sounds good, and to avoid confusion with new readers, from now on I'll
>> just refer to Pendragon by his new chosen alias Harry Lime.
>
> That's a good point. Personally I do not like calling socks by their
> aliases puppets by their sock names; that also can be confusing, as it's
> meant to be. So I've started calling the person behind all those socks
> MMP for Michael Monkey Peabrain (or just Peabrain if he says something
> really stupid, or Lying Michael whenever I catch him in a lie). But that
> could also be confusing for new readers and casual readers, so I think
> I'll have to refer to him, when talking to third parties, as something
> else; something that will identify whom I mean to any new or casual
> readers.
>
> After some thought, I've settled on "the Lime sock" - what do you think?
>
> https://www.zazzle.ca/lime_green_socks-256240956281961664?rf=238512069961476072&tc=CjwKCAiA-ty8BhA_EiwAkyoa3_aFWzdIrL7epsnGiUBOmwWKHVyTWv2DT3XULBaoBmZv8YkfovgQhRoC6i8QAvD_BwE&z_ca=20390696811&z_dev=c&z_nw=x&z_lp=9000899&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-ty8BhA_EiwAkyoa3_aFWzdIrL7epsnGiUBOmwWKHVyTWv2DT3XULBaoBmZv8YkfovgQhRoC6i8QAvD_BwE&trchd=true
>
>>>> And so it goes.
>>>>
>>>> 🙂

George, Mummy Chunk asked where the "monkey" and "donkey" named came
from.

Don't they stretch back to the old Gary Gamble and PJR days in some
ways?

I honestly don't even remember at this point.

I know the never ending flame war began in 2017 when Jim Senetto and
Michael Pendragon decided they would drive Stephan Pickering from the
poetry newsgroup, before Nancy Gene had ever arrived here, but I'm not
sure when the childish name calling began.

Isn't there a timeline somewhere in the archives?