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From: joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:13:11 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:51:42 -0600 schrieb olcott:
> On 2/25/2025 2:09 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:22:23 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 2/24/2025 2:32 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-23 17:34:21 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>> On 2/23/2025 3:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-22 16:06:08 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>> On 2/22/2025 2:45 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-21 22:39:01 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/21/2025 2:10 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-20 13:02:28 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 2:28 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-20 04:08:05 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2025 6:55 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:25:12 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2025 4:03 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 14 Feb 2025 17:29:45 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/14/2025 6:54 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:21:59 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 9:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/25 7:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 04:21:34 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2025 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-11 14:41:38 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Termination analyzers determine whether or not their input
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could possibly terminate normally. Nothing can toggle this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. Termination analyzers deremine whether a program can
>>>>>>>>>>>> run forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This would define simulating termination analyzers as
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible because every input that would otherwise run
>>>>>>>>>>> forever is aborted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would be aborted by external causes but not by the program
>>>>>>>>>> itself so we can say that the program could run forever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK great we finally got mutual agreement on one point. Unless
>>>>>>>>> the C function HHH aborts its simulation of the C function DD
>>>>>>>>> this DD C function DOES NOT TERMINATE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you mean the HHH on https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/
>>>>>>>> master/ Halt7.c that statement is void: that HHH does abort is
>>>>>>>> simulation of DD. If you mean any function HHH allowed by OP then
>>>>>>>> that statement is false.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not talking about one statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am, about one you made: "Unless the C function HHH aborts its
>>>>>> simulation of the C function DD this DD C function DOES NOT
>>>>>> TERMINATE."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean the HHH on https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/
>>>>>> master/ Halt7.c that statement is void: that HHH does abort is
>>>>>> simulation of DD. If you mean any function HHH allowed by OP then
>>>>>> that statement is false.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you understand the notion of hypothetical possibilities?
>>>>> It really seems that you do not.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I understand that a simulator that both abort its simulation and
>>>> does not abort is not a hypothetical possibility.
>>>>
>>> HHH aborts its emulation of DD.
>>> When we imagine the exact same HHH with the one single change that it
>>> never aborts its input then we can see that this HHH cannot possibly
>>> terminate normally.
>> LOLOLOL that is not "the exact same HHH"
> DAMNED WEASEL WORDS
> X WITH X == X WITH Y
> A REBUTTAL OF THIS SAYING X WITH Y != X WITHOUT Y IS MERE DECEPTION.
When we imagine the exact same peter with the one single change that he
doesn't survive his therapy we can see that this peter cannot possibly
die naturally.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.