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From: Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:21:14 -0700
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D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:34:25 +0100, D wrote:
>> 
>>> In summary, the US would have gotten there eventually, but as per my
>>> original statement, relying on Mr. von Braun no doubt accelerated the
>>> research.
>> 
>> Yeah eventually. Sometimes it helps to get the information from the
>> horse's mouth.
>> 
>> During WWI Germany used Zepplins to attack Britain. They were susceptible
>> to ground fire or being shot down by British aircraft. The answer was a
>> new design called Height Climbers that could operate over 20,000 feet,
>> well above the ceiling of the aircraft of the day. There were problems
>> with the engines and breathing apparatus but overall they were successful.
>> Design decisions had been made to allow them to operate at that altitude.
>> 
>> The Allies managed to capture L-49 and the US made several attempts based
>> on the L-49. The first was the ZR-1 Shenandoah. It worked for a while
>> before breaking up in a squall.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Shenandoah_(ZR-1)
>> 
>> ZR-2 started as a British R.38 class. It didn't end well.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R38-class_airship
>> 
>> ZR-3, the USS Los Angeles, managed to retire in on piece.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Los_Angeles_(ZR-3)
>> 
>> 
>> ZRS-4, the USS Akron, was destroyed in a thunderstorm.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron
>> 
>> ZRS-5, the USS Macon, broike up off Point Sur.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Macon_(ZRS-5)
>> 
>> There wasn't a ZRS-6. The Navy had had enough.
>> 
>> Many think most of the problems came from copying an ultralight design
>> that wasn't meant to be durable. Even when they brought in German
>> engineers they may have not been very forthcoming considering the screwing
>> Germany got a Versailles.
>> 
>> 
>> fwiw, Howard Hughes' 'Hell's Angels' features a Zepplin and aircraft duel.
>> At one point when the Zepplin captain is trying to gain altitude and has
>> jettisoned everything the crew lines up and jumps for the good of the
>> Fatherland.
>> 
>> No CGI in that movie, just a few dead stunt pilots and a lot of crashed
>> planes.
> 
> Fascinating!
> 
> One of my visions is to start an airline company based on modern 
> zeppelins. Instead of sitting in a small metal/carbon fibre tube for 8 to 
> 14 hours, I'd like the experience of crossing the ocean to be more like a 
> cruise ship. It might take 1 to 3 days or so, but you could walk around, 
> and enjoy a Michelin star restaurant on board.
> 
> I just need to reach Branson or Musk and the thing should be done! ;)
> 
> After that, the space elevator!
> 

I’d love it! The Zeppelin Gesellschaft is (or was) recently building LTA
vehicles for tourism. I’d fly in one in a heartbeat. 

-- 
Pete