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From: mhx@iae.nl (mhx)
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Subject: Re: QUIT and ABORT
Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 14:20:49 +0000
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> The standard contains the list of standard words, and the behavior of
> each standard word is well specified (as far as a standard program
> concerns).

True, and verifiable.

> (by design; of course, the standard may contain mistakes)

You mean: Will contain mistakes :--)

> Therefore, the behavior of a standard system can be falsified using
> standard program examples. That is, if and only if the system deviates
> from the specified behavior, this can be demonstrated by some standard
> program.

What exactly do you want to do with this? It is not possible to test
all possible programs using all available words (e.g., we can always
add another word to a program). Thus the clause gives no guarantee
to a user and does not allow the vendor to claim anything.

Simple example:
A `standard program` from user A returns the wrong result. User A
claims this is because the Forth system from vendor B contains a
bug.

-marcel