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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: tomyee3@gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Is Curved Space An Improvement Over The Use of the Concept of =?UTF-8?B?Rm9yY2VzPw==?= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 07:50:42 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <139e5148ed64d73023c6fe30c51b957b@www.novabbs.com> References: <1faa69846c0c2c810b1d0e04143399cd@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2850954"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Ooch2ht+q3xfrepY75FKkEEx2SPWDQTvfft66HacveI"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$KNBKwefNO4UuMSlZdT16r.xjOMty2LhSh/MPxaDWX8iKoSN/yOy2y X-Rslight-Posting-User: 504a4e36a1e6a0679da537f565a179f60d7acbd8 Bytes: 3346 Lines: 46 On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 23:48:09 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > Is Curved Space An Improvement Over The Use of the Concept of Forces? [SNIP] The following text has been edited very little from the version that I added to Wikipedia in April 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime#Is_spacetime_really_curved? Is spacetime really curved? In Poincaré's conventionalist views, the essential criteria according to which one should select a Euclidean versus non-Euclidean geometry would be economy and simplicity. A realist would say that Einstein discovered spacetime to be non-Euclidean. A conventionalist would say that Einstein merely found it more convenient to use non-Euclidean geometry. The conventionalist would maintain that Einstein's analysis said nothing about what the geometry of spacetime really is. Such being said, 1) Is it possible to represent general relativity in terms of flat spacetime? 2) Are there any situations where a flat spacetime interpretation of general relativity may be more convenient than the usual curved spacetime interpretation? In response to the first question, a number of authors including Deser, Grishchuk, Rosen, Weinberg, etc. have provided various formulations of gravitation as a field in a flat manifold. Those theories are variously called "bimetric gravity", the "field- theoretical approach to general relativity", and so forth. Kip Thorne has provided a popular review of these theories. The flat spacetime paradigm posits that matter creates a gravitational field that causes rulers to shrink when they are turned from circumferential orientation to radial, and that causes the ticking rates of clocks to dilate. The flat spacetime paradigm is fully equivalent to the curved spacetime paradigm in that they both represent the same physical phenomena. However, their mathematical formulations are entirely different. Working physicists routinely switch between using curved and flat spacetime techniques depending on the requirements of the problem. The flat spacetime paradigm is convenient when performing approximate calculations in weak fields. Hence, flat spacetime techniques tend be used when solving gravitational wave problems, while curved spacetime techniques tend be used in the analysis of black holes.