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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 10:15:13 +0000
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On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 0:18:15 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:36:21 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:48:44 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:32:52 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:27:28 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:54:22 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 7:40:51 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:16 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=253903&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#253903
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:22:04 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime"
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MMP: My literary journal was created to highlight the best examples of
>>>>>>>>>> poetry from AAPC's various members.  The best poetry by Member G does
>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily measure up to the best poetry of Member J.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As Mr. Dance has so ably demonstrated above, his own poem left no traces
>>>>>>>>>> on my memory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MMP's memory lapses are something I'm sure we're all familiar with by
>>>>>>>>> now. But let us remember what else I just ably demonstrated: that back
>>>>>>>>> in 2021 (when he was still hoping to recruit me as an ally) he
>>>>>>>>> considered Possibilities one of "the best examples of poetry" on AAPC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This deserves an underscore as an example of Michael Pendragon's biased
>>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm not sure if you remeber that statement of his that I called
>>>>>>> a statement of his editorial philosophy:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>> "You divide everyone into two categories: potential allies and potential
>>>>>>> adversaries. You slurp the writings of your potential allies and attack
>>>>>>> those of your potential adversaries."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "When [someone] Jim is seen as a potential ally, you request his poetry.
>>>>>>> When he
>>>>>>> is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him and claim he
>>>>>>> can't write." </q>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> source text:
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/hDYKsC5l5Ew/m/IR5NzWPJBQAJ?hl=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That also fully describes his critical philosophy. No more need be said,
>>>>>>> but it can't be said often enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, Michael Pendragon is basically a two faced liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, not exactly, It means he comes across as no different from a
>>>>> two-faced liar, but I think his mental state is more complex than that I
>>>>> should open a new threat where we can talk about that.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good, and to avoid confusion with new readers, from now on I'll
>>>> just refer to Pendragon by his new chosen alias Harry Lime.
>>>
>>> That's a good point. Personally I do not like calling socks by their
>>> aliases puppets by their sock names; that also can be confusing, as it's
>>> meant to be. So I've started calling the person behind all those socks
>>> MMP for Michael Monkey Peabrain (or just Peabrain if he says something
>>> really stupid, or Lying Michael whenever I catch him in a lie). But that
>>> could also be confusing for new readers and casual readers, so I think
>>> I'll have to refer to him, when talking to third parties, as something
>>> else; something that will identify whom I mean to any new or casual
>>> readers.
>>>
>>> After some thought, I've settled on "the Lime sock" - what do you think?
>>>
>>> https://www.zazzle.ca/lime_green_socks-256240956281961664?rf=238512069961476072&tc=CjwKCAiA-ty8BhA_EiwAkyoa3_aFWzdIrL7epsnGiUBOmwWKHVyTWv2DT3XULBaoBmZv8YkfovgQhRoC6i8QAvD_BwE&z_ca=20390696811&z_dev=c&z_nw=x&z_lp=9000899&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-ty8BhA_EiwAkyoa3_aFWzdIrL7epsnGiUBOmwWKHVyTWv2DT3XULBaoBmZv8YkfovgQhRoC6i8QAvD_BwE&trchd=true
>>>
>>>>>> And so it goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 🙂
>>
>> George, Mummy Chunk asked where the "monkey" and "donkey" named came
>> from.
>>
>> Don't they stretch back to the old Gary Gamble and PJR days in some
>> ways?
>>
>> I honestly don't even remember at this point.
>>
>> I know the never ending flame war began in 2017 when Jim Senetto and
>> Michael Pendragon decided they would drive Stephan Pickering from the
>> poetry newsgroup, before Nancy Gene had ever arrived here, but I'm not
>> sure when the childish name calling began.
>>
>> Isn't there a timeline somewhere in the archives?
>
>
> Since you've brought me back for one more day, Donkey, I'll answer your
> question here (and in the pointless duplicate thread you've created to
> ask it again it), as well.
>
> The origin of "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with Gary Gamble.
>
> Gary Gamble had left the group long before my arrival here.  And as far
> as I know, I have never interacted with him.
>
> In fact, "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with anything said at AAPC.
>
> I live in a very small house that was built in the 1920s.  I like to
> think of it as a rustic cottage or a cozy bungalow.  In order to expand
> the living space, one of the previous owners finished the basement, and
> turned it into a combination kitchen, dining room and bar.  I keep my
> computer down there, so when I'm online, I'm technically in the
> basement.
>
> About seven years ago (give or take), my wife sent our youngest child
> downstairs to see what I was doing.  He looked over my shoulder while I
> was posting something to Usenet AAPC, and shouted up to her "He's
> talking to Will Donkey the computer."
>
> Since the idea of someone conversing with a donkey on computer is funny,
> it immediately became a running joke in our house.  "Daddy's talking to
> Will Donkey again," etc).
>
> Since stubbornness is one of your strongest characteristics, I
> immediately began addressing you as "Will Donkey" in AAPC as well.
>
> "Monkey," otoh, came about when Karen Tellefsen wrote a satirical poem
> about our endless flame war here, set to the tune of "Pop Goes the
> Weasel." "Pop Goes the Weasel," in case you're unfamiliar with it, is a
> nursery rhyme about a monkey chasing a weasel around a cobbler's bench.
> In her poem, she replaced "Weasel" with "Donkey" (signifying you, as I
> had already started calling you "Will Donkey" at that time). She
> retained "Monkey" from the original because I often posted under my
> backup account here as "Coco DeSockmonkey."
>
> You and George immediately started calling me "Michael Monkey" as a
> result.

Actually, that's not true.

I almost always call you Michael Pendragon

> There ypu have it: "Will Donkey" came from my son's misreading of your
> name on my monitor, and "Michael Monkey" came from Karen's satirical
> poem.
>
> --