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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: tomyee3@gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativity claims the corona is too thin to refract enough to curve starlight. Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 14:56:32 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <1621ff5df3bd697467e792c6cdf9babe@www.novabbs.com> References: <6b0c7e8c846682004d455d379716128c@www.novabbs.com> <a594f9da668554342e9778d771bce7a8@www.novabbs.com> <89cd74f3047884327042a8ed2ad4ce29@www.novabbs.com> <469efb0cbe09e1f72d64fca9c2f24dfb@www.novabbs.com> <eafde161b6230ae1f3e1196f153f9f3a@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3790189"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Ooch2ht+q3xfrepY75FKkEEx2SPWDQTvfft66HacveI"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 504a4e36a1e6a0679da537f565a179f60d7acbd8 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$7bUoYFH4ybyYMSSDFpRZLeAKHkIOUcsgV9HdrI5XCAFoVP7TVyjDu X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3863 Lines: 49 On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 2:43:16 +0000, rhertz wrote: > I'm a believer in the phenomenon of refraction to explain starlight > deflection and "gravitational lensing". I'm totally against the crap > of GR and curved spacetime. This, for the record. In discussing possible refraction effects affecting experimental observations of gravitational deflection by the Sun, we need to distinguish between VBLI observations made at radio wavelengths versus observations made at optical wavelengths. At radio wavelengths, refraction by the solar atmosphere is a known issue. This refraction is dependent on frequency according to the following formula: n = sqrt(1 - ω_p^2 / ω^2 ) where ω_p is the plasma frequency, which is dependent on the electron density at the time of observation. VLBI observations of quasars like 3C279 are performed at multiple wavelengths to allow highly accurate correction for this refraction, which in any event is negligible beyond 3 degrees from the Sun. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/699/2/1395/pdf Optical frequencies are unaffected by plasma refraction. Any bending of light due to refraction would be from a different source. At optical wavelengths, refraction is due to atoms or molecules acting as polarizable dipoles. Incoming electromagnetic waves shift their electrons back and forth. The dipoles absorb incoming light and re-radiate light at the same frequency. Since the resonant frequency of the dipoles does not match that of the incoming light, the re-radiated light will be of slightly retarded phase relative to the incoming light. The net result of all of this to slow the speed of the wave passing through the medium. (This is assuming that the frequency is not near an absorbance line, which results in anomalous dispersion). In the case of the Sun's atmosphere, above a transition zone a few thousand kilometers above the surface, the coronal gases are heated by as of yet poorly understood mechanisms to temperatures greater than a million degrees. At these temperatures, all of the lighter elements (hydrogen, helium, carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen) are stripped of all their electrons, leaving bare nuclei. The few spectral lines visible in the corona (above its bright continuous background) are due to traces of iron, calcium, and other heavier elements which manage to retain a few of their electrons. The solar corona is therefore not only far too tenuous to account for the observed deflection of starlight around the Sun, it is almost totally devoid of polarizable species that can contribute to refraction at optical wavelengths.