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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:19:50 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <1678857165.749423720.732825.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <vd8o1s$178gk$5@dont-email.me> <llr46dFmeudU2@mid.individual.net> <vd9r10$1d6gq$4@dont-email.me> <vd9rub$18mq$2@gal.iecc.com> <vd9see$1d6gq$5@dont-email.me> <llruqbFqbh9U4@mid.individual.net> <vdarnl$1l4ch$5@dont-email.me> <20240930100149.000050ac@gmail.com> <vdenoq$2as01$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 23:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3a721c7ebb47ce1144e932a9b0bdb2de"; logging-data="2520151"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Mh7pT8S+yqwQkpr7xpRxU" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.3.1 (iPad) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YW0tR29Ef5FUJrk50CWKvTg4BfI= sha1:8pXbTyvTKUbo4uLTiR1yfJBsyBk= Bytes: 3085 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 30/09/2024 18:01, John Ames wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:22:45 +0100 >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> I think the worst thing was Turbo Pascal, which convinced huge >>> numbers of amateurs that they could actually write code. >> >> OTOH, like BASIC, it *enabled* large numbers of amateurs to actually get >> shit done and develop software that met their own needs when solutions >> were either nonexistent or prohibitively expensive - the kind of thing >> that drove the microcomputer revolution. Sure, it might've made for a >> little mess along the way, but in the long run it's not so terrible ;) >> > The problem is that many of those amateurs thought they were in fact > professionals > > And you could hack code *without regard to its context* > > Sure I hacked a little basic, but once I started on assembler and C, my > engineering training kicked in and it was all documented, sometimes > planned and really quite structured. > "Every code block in assembler must have an explanation of its purpose > that will likely be three times the length of the code."..was the > mantra. Even today writing code that no one but me will see I have > extensive headers for every function or code block explaining what it is > supposed to do and often line by line comments. Me too. If I have to work on someone else’s code, the first thing I do is insert some comments. > > And sometimes I write the comments first. > > // open port > > //set up event handler for asynch connection > > //listen on port, and vector incoming data to handler > > ...and so on > > > -- Pete