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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 13:16:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: ? ? ? Content-Language: pl Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <l4qmlfFn6jmU1@mid.individual.net> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l4t6hpF4bo3U1@mid.individual.net> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l4vv9tFhbj7U1@mid.individual.net> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <l52gkhFt900U1@mid.individual.net> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ahrlF5rlhU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5fmo2FturcU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ni4hF5e44U1@mid.individual.net> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5q4mnFhb1cU1@mid.individual.net> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 138 Path: ...!news-out.netnews.com!news.alt.net!us1.netnews.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:16:23 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 5818 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17be298a8c1dd8d7$99557$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 6146 W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> Thomas Heger wrote: >>> >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of >>>>>>>>>>>>> time') >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it? >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of >>>>>>>>>>> atoms. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? >>>>>>>>> ?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or >>>>>>>>>> are they something else? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they >>>>>> times? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my >>>>>>> shadows!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" >>>>>> >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. >>>>> >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. >>>>> >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> it's shadows all the way down. >>>> >>>> And - are zone times times or are they >>>> something else? >>>> >>> >>> All time measures are intervals. >>> >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between >>> that event and some other event. >>> >>> This measure is often called 'time'. >>> >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. >>> >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. >>> >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not >>> born 24 times on a single day. >>> >>> TH >> >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and >> measure the movement of the shadow. >> >> This measure you often called 'time'. >> >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, >> shadow or no shadow. >> >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys >> doing, it's just a shadow?!" >> >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." >> > > > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical > shadow. And? Are zone times times or are they something else?