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W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>
>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>
>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>> something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>
>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>> that event and some other event.
>>>
>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>
>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>
>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>
>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>
>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>
>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>> shadow or no shadow.
>>
>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>
>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>
> 
> 
> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> shadow.

And?
Are zone times times or are they
something else?