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W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
>>>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>>>
>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>>>> that event and some other event.
>>>>>
>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>>>
>>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>>>
>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>>>> shadow or no shadow.
>>>>
>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>>>
>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
>>> shadow.
>>
>> And?
>> Are zone times times or are they
>> something else?
> 
> 
> zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
> the face of the earth.

Finally. An answer.
Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's
shadow  moving across the face of the earth?