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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:35:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: ? ? ? Content-Language: pl Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <l4t6hpF4bo3U1@mid.individual.net> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l4vv9tFhbj7U1@mid.individual.net> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <l52gkhFt900U1@mid.individual.net> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ahrlF5rlhU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5fmo2FturcU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ni4hF5e44U1@mid.individual.net> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5q4mnFhb1cU1@mid.individual.net> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> <17be298a8c1dd8d7$99557$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <65F9E307.3666@ix.netcom.com> From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <65F9E307.3666@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 148 Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.ams4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:35:09 +0000 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17be417c0ed16e1f$99560$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> X-Received-Bytes: 6692 Bytes: 6819 W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze: > Maciej Wozniak wrote: >> >> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze: >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time') >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' >>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in >>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of >>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would >>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? >>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? >>>>>>>>>>> ?? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or >>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? >>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. >>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they >>>>>>>> times? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my >>>>>>>>> shadows!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down. >>>>>> >>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they >>>>>> something else? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All time measures are intervals. >>>>> >>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between >>>>> that event and some other event. >>>>> >>>>> This measure is often called 'time'. >>>>> >>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is >>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. >>>>> >>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally >>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. >>>>> >>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not >>>>> born 24 times on a single day. >>>>> >>>>> TH >>>> >>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and >>>> measure the movement of the shadow. >>>> >>>> This measure you often called 'time'. >>>> >>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, >>>> shadow or no shadow. >>>> >>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys >>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!" >>>> >>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." >>>> >>> >>> >>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical >>> shadow. >> >> And? >> Are zone times times or are they >> something else? > > > zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across > the face of the earth. Finally. An answer. Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's shadow moving across the face of the earth?